Walmart Filters?
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They (Fram) are junk. If you ever see a cut-a-way comparison like I did, you will easily see FRAM IS JUNK. Buy anything but a Fram.
If you are mean the SuperTech label, I believe they are still made by Champion Labs....a good filter company. ST's are a-ok especially for the price.
Here is a updated list from ths site.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=337051&fpart=1
Here is a updated list from ths site.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=337051&fpart=1
Champion Labs, and yes they are great filters. Use without worry.
I have used ST filters in the past with no problems.
That being said, take a look and make sure youre getting a Champ Labs filter. Ive found a few that look like they have Fram "guts". Travel carefully here!!!
That being said, take a look and make sure youre getting a Champ Labs filter. Ive found a few that look like they have Fram "guts". Travel carefully here!!!
Originally Posted By: dishdude
I wouldn't touch a ST filter, I don't like the contruction of the new ones at all.
I think they are great! The E-Core design has proven to be durable, and because they don't have such a restricting internal cage, they dramatically decrease the startup knock on my Dad's Chevy truck.
I really like the new design of the non-ecore filters. It's identical to any other Champ filter like Mobil 1 and K&N. Only difference is the media and the ADBV. No more clicker bypass valves.
I wouldn't touch a ST filter, I don't like the contruction of the new ones at all.
I think they are great! The E-Core design has proven to be durable, and because they don't have such a restricting internal cage, they dramatically decrease the startup knock on my Dad's Chevy truck.
I really like the new design of the non-ecore filters. It's identical to any other Champ filter like Mobil 1 and K&N. Only difference is the media and the ADBV. No more clicker bypass valves.
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http://www.servicechamp.com/prod_res_docs/Ecore FAQ's Sheet.pdf
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=6&Number=352717
Here is some background info on eCore.
Decent for the price.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=6&Number=352717
Here is some background info on eCore.
Decent for the price.
Supertech has worked out great for me.
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Originally Posted By: dishdude
I wouldn't touch a ST filter, I don't like the contruction of the new ones at all.
They're a dandy design. They're just not upscale in terms of filtering ability. For the 3k/3m type (or any service length, really) they're just fine. If you are swapping out your sump often out of habit or whatever, they're pretty much as good as any other.
I don't use them on frequent flier vehicles since I'm into somewhat extended drains and can get the $$ out of the higher end filters that I use. For the extended fleet that gets the oil changed too often or sees more short mileage ..it's el cheapo.
I'll be installing one on my jeep for an Auto-Rx rinse that's coming up.
I wouldn't touch a ST filter, I don't like the contruction of the new ones at all.
They're a dandy design. They're just not upscale in terms of filtering ability. For the 3k/3m type (or any service length, really) they're just fine. If you are swapping out your sump often out of habit or whatever, they're pretty much as good as any other.
I don't use them on frequent flier vehicles since I'm into somewhat extended drains and can get the $$ out of the higher end filters that I use. For the extended fleet that gets the oil changed too often or sees more short mileage ..it's el cheapo.
I'll be installing one on my jeep for an Auto-Rx rinse that's coming up.
I have run them to 7k miles onother vehicles with good UOA results.
Use Super Tech filters with impunity, or any other oil of your choice.
I dislike the combination valve they use, otherwise they're a good design.
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
They (Fram) are junk.
Walmart filters are not made by FRAM. They are made by Champion Laboratories (no relation to the spark-plug people) and are a decent low-cost filter for 3-5k OCIs.
I do agree with the advice to avoid FRAM, however.
They (Fram) are junk.
Walmart filters are not made by FRAM. They are made by Champion Laboratories (no relation to the spark-plug people) and are a decent low-cost filter for 3-5k OCIs.
I do agree with the advice to avoid FRAM, however.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I dislike the combination valve they use, otherwise they're a good design.
I've never even seen one with a combo valve. Most of the E-Cores are for GM vehicles that have an internal bypass valve built into the oil filter mount. On engines that need the bypass in the filter, it's a blue spring loaded valve on the bottom end cap.
I dislike the combination valve they use, otherwise they're a good design.
I've never even seen one with a combo valve. Most of the E-Cores are for GM vehicles that have an internal bypass valve built into the oil filter mount. On engines that need the bypass in the filter, it's a blue spring loaded valve on the bottom end cap.
As others have stated, they are made by Champion Labs, the same outfit that makes M1 filters. I've used them on my Buick with the Northstar V8 out to an 11,000 mile OCI (I follow the OLM).
Absolutely no problems. I think they are a great buy...quality product at a great price.
Absolutely no problems. I think they are a great buy...quality product at a great price.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I dislike the combination valve they use, otherwise they're a good design.
I've never even seen one with a combo valve. Most of the E-Cores are for GM vehicles that have an internal bypass valve built into the oil filter mount. On engines that need the bypass in the filter, it's a blue spring loaded valve on the bottom end cap.
The ST2, ST5 and ST3980 all use a combination valve. These are the ones I have experience with.
Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
I dislike the combination valve they use, otherwise they're a good design.
I've never even seen one with a combo valve. Most of the E-Cores are for GM vehicles that have an internal bypass valve built into the oil filter mount. On engines that need the bypass in the filter, it's a blue spring loaded valve on the bottom end cap.
The ST2, ST5 and ST3980 all use a combination valve. These are the ones I have experience with.
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