US flight 297 11/30/09 - a terorist dry run?

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Here's something the national media is ignoring. According to numerous source reported in foreign press, the stated reason for flight 297's issues is far from accurate.

Snopes says it is "mixed truth"
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Various articles:
canadafreepress
nationalterroralert
Houston khou

Sample account of the event (taken from Houston News link above):
Quote:

"One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November 17, I returned home. If you read the papers, you may have seen a blurb where an AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff. It was on Fox.
That was NOT what happened!
I was in first class coming home. Eleven muslim men got on the plane in full attire. Two sat in first class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway, the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the first stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she wasn’t there.
The second man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the second stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger muslims, one in the back aisle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it. Now, they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her (don’t ask me, I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied). The third stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time. To which one of the men said, “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder and he began to scream in her face in Arabic.
At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk to the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say, “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said, “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I led him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the second man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward, the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.
We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happened, when suddenly, the door opened again and on walked all eleven!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston. The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent, “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. Five minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.
Again, this is where I had had enough!! I got up and asked, “What the [censored] is going on?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said, “I’m getting off this plane.” The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off.
Now I’m mad! I said, “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say, “So am I.” Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the [censored] not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.
Look up the date. Flight 297, Atlanta to Houston.
If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. They wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.
I’m telling this to you because I want you to know. The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes.
Tedd Petruna
 
Sorry, smells like baloney sammich. Most of it does at least. Does not completely get past my Big Smelly detector.

If multiple TSA agents AND police boarded a plane, it would have made news. If a large group of muslims were acting aggressively on a plane, and a full air crew got off, and TSA and cops boarded a plane filled with passengers, it would have made immediate national news.

Why is it that only one guy has written about this? I don't know the story but I doubt it went down like he said. If it did, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck would be all over this.
 
This story is not passing my smell test. He lost me when he said within 5 minutes an entire new crew boarded the plane. Sorry, but that just wouldn't happen, as every crew member at the airport is already slated for a job, they aren't just sitting around hoping that an entire crew walks off a plane. And it would have taken far longer to call another crew to the airport, they would have already had to have been there.
 
Originally Posted By: bretfraz
Sorry, smells like baloney sammich. Most of it does at least. Does not completely get past my Big Smelly detector.

If multiple TSA agents AND police boarded a plane, it would have made news. If a large group of muslims were acting aggressively on a plane, and a full air crew got off, and TSA and cops boarded a plane filled with passengers, it would have made immediate national news.

Why is it that only one guy has written about this? I don't know the story but I doubt it went down like he said. If it did, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck would be all over this.


Google "Tedd Petruna", I did just to check out more, very interesting links to news articles and other, I see Tedd is employed by NASA. Don't know if its all true or not, but it looks like some of it is.
 
Why would they dress in costumes that flag them as possible threats, and do everything in their power to draw attention to themselves in a negative way?
And for no reason?
 
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Why would they dress in costumes that flag them as possible threats, and do everything in their power to draw attention to themselves in a negative way?
And for no reason?


Yes, it appears they intended to cause a reaction (and were not intending to carry out something on that flight). The speculation is that they were testing reactions. Considering peoples change in attitude since 9/11, one might expect terrorists to test & try to understand peoples reaction.

Here is another article quoting another person (who wasn't on the plane, but witnessed what happened after.
(link)

Quote:

“Flight attendants were sobbing openly,” Robinson said.
Robinson said a passenger getting off the plane warned him not to get on.
“He said ‘I just saw them there were these Middle Eastern men. They were taking pictures. They wouldn’t sit down, ‘” Robinson said. “Besides that, he said a couple of them were making gestures with their hand as if they were shooting people.”


Airtran says practially nothing

Quote:
While I am not able to disclose all the details included in our internal correspondence, a thorough investigation of this matter has found that a number of the allegations included in the article posted by Mr. Petruna conflict with the statements obtained by the flight crew assigned to flight 297 at the time of this incident.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/12/we-have-two-updates-on.html

Todd should run for Congress.


Very interesting. A detailed response by Airtran. They challenge a lot of the details. But IMO, does nothing to suggest something serious didn't happen. It's my understanding that eyewitness accounts usually get a lot of stuff wrong. To me, their response looks more like Todd's email is a typical witness statement on a dramatic event. It has exaggerations and assumptions stated as fact, but he likely did witness something generally along the lines of what he wrote.
 
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Ol' Ted had a little too much to drink, it looks like.


Tedd, Todd...........same difference.
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If you read the links, he's retracted most of the "details" about what he claimed in his email.
 
Well, I wasn't there, so I can't say what did or didn't happen. I do know some things about how our government works and either nothing happened, or something serious did happen and it could be being covered up. I also believe what happened in reality we will never really know after all is said and done.

I just know that if our government wants to cover something up, they can, and will cover up! I've seen it done with my own eyes, and heard it being done with my own ears; the disinformation, the distortions, and if you will, the out-and-out lies of our government at work. Above all things, I despise conspiracy theory cases and this looks like one in the making. On the other hand, I know what our government is capable of, and sometimes--"the truth is not in them."
 
Yeah, Mr. Petunia sounds like he's looking for more attention than he or the event deserves, BUT

OTOH TSA is a total hack job gov organization that punishes everyone for no reason, including native-born US citizens and especially Irish grandmas with walkers--and if middle eastern men are causing trouble, we all know that TSA has an interest in appearing as though they are not being even remotely discriminating or biased (PC), same goes for AirTran, who also does not want to alarm or lose passengers.

There has got to be some unreported information in the middle here.
 
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Originally Posted By: Kaboomba


OTOH TSA is a total hack job gov organization that punishes everyone for no reason, including native-born US citizens and especially Irish grandmas with walkers


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Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
TSA is a total hack job gov organization that punishes everyone for no reason



For a sec I thought you were talking about the IRS... (as I got my letter/notice for an Audit in the mail yesterday)
 
Originally Posted By: ksJoe
A detailed response by Airtran. They challenge a lot of the details. But IMO, does nothing to suggest something serious didn't happen.

Todd is the one making the claim. Burden of proof is on him, not AirTran.

Besides, if you cut all the obviously exaggerated or false stuff out of Todd's story, and read the rest with a grain of salt, you get something that fits very neatly with what AirTran says.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
ksJoe said:
if you cut all the obviously exaggerated or false stuff out


If you read the links above, Tedd (my bad, I called him Todd above) already did that when pressed by the media. He can't keep his story straight.

OTOH, the account of the woman sitting behind the man in question and the other guy that has gone public who was on the flight, proves something out of the ordinary occurred.

We will likely never know.
 
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