Updated M1 FS 0w-40 - More PAO

[OVERKILL]

Just noticed the Pour Point for M1 0w-40 was reduced to -60C:

Which isn't remotely close to what's on the SDS, which shows -42C and is from 2019, still showing 10-20% PAO:

I checked the UK SDS and it shows <-40C (suitably vague) but also a significant increase in PAO content to 30-40%, and is dated November 9th, 2021:

I also checked the German SDS, which is dated November 10th, 2021, and it shows the same increase in PAO content and <-40C for Pour Point.

What doesn't match is KV40 and KV100 at the moment, which are 78 and 13.8 for both the German and UK SDS sheets, while the old US sheet matches the PDS. Will see if those get modified in the next little bit on the US website.

 

[blufeb95]

So it looks like they cut out the GTL and went to a blend more PAO and VISOM maybe?

 

[OVERKILL]

So it looks like they cut out the GTL and went to a blend more PAO and VISOM maybe?

Could be VISOM, could be another Group III/Group III+ product, not really possible to tell from the SDS, but it is interesting to see them drop the Shell GTL base.

 

[Trav]

Just noticed the Pour Point for M1 0w-40 was reduced to -60C:
View attachment 78042
Which isn't remotely close to what's on the SDS, which shows -42C and is from 2019, still showing 10-20% PAO:
View attachment 78044

I checked the UK SDS and it shows <-40C (suitably vague) but also a significant increase in PAO content to 30-40%, and is dated November 9th, 2021:
View attachment 78043

I also checked the German SDS, which is dated November 10th, 2021, and it shows the same increase in PAO content and <-40C for Pour Point.

What doesn't match is KV40 and KV100 at the moment, which are 78 and 13.8 for both the German and UK SDS sheets, while the old US sheet matches the PDS. Will see if those get modified in the next little bit on the US website.

Imagine that and it is only $27 for 5 qts at Wally's. Naw, it cant be any good. LM, Ravenol, Motul, etc must be better, they cost more. LOL

 

[JavierH19]

This is interesting. A surprising move to go back to pao especially in a product that can easily do without if especially if they don't adjust the price on top of that in these inflating market times as pao is more expensive and most retailers don't wanna increase prices to not upset customers. There are some hidden financial factors at play.

They do look to have cut the gtl out. I think it's another group 3 plus or maybe visom blend.

Or could be because of stock shortages or base stock distribution prioritization. Contracts stipulating minimum quantities delivered or received that may not be met could result higher losses than just using something else that's more expensive but not too much so you could reduce the cut in margins that way.

Could even be because a contract couldn't be renewed with the unit and cost terms both parties could agree to so there isn't one. Can't guarantee to distribute enough and at a promised price that will still be profitable to you because of how you know or even speculate how the economy or market is going then it's best to not agree in the first place. I've had these instances at work. If you promise something you can't guarantee on paper then it's lawsuit time and if you do make the guarantee work but at a higher cost to you than you thought then you still lose either way unless you don't risk it in the first place if you know better. That's how these mass quantity corporate level distribution contracts work. I've dealt with these signed mass orders that couldn't be met. The legal team along with the accountants as the advisors in some cases if it directly hurts profits immediately get involved.

 

[ceecbtg]

Interesting...

Visom... at least was declared in New Life as 64742-71-8 and 64742-70-7, here not. I loved NL visco stability.

 

[Krieg]

Great optics OVERKILL!

 

[JamesGames]

Awesome research skills! Thanks overkill.
Now more similar to Castrol 0w40/0w30 again. Ran m1 0w40 for so many years until my DI turbo cars (calcium levels so preferred GC / BC), wonder what their calcium levels are if any changes with the PAO increased formula - would be down to use m1 0w40 again.

 

[2EHA]

Imagine that and it is only $27 for 5 qts at Wally's.

the price is really out of control.

 

[4WD]

This is interesting. A surprising move to go back to pao especially in a product that can easily do without if especially if they don't adjust the price on top of that in these inflating market times as pao is more expensive and most retailers don't wanna increase prices to not upset customers. There are some hidden financial factors at play.

They do look to have cut the gtl out. I think it's another group 3 plus or maybe visom blend.

Or could be because of stock shortages or base stock distribution prioritization. Contracts stipulating minimum quantities delivered or received that may not be met could result higher losses than just using something else that's more expensive but not too much so you could reduce the cut in margins that way.

Could even be because a contract couldn't be renewed with the unit and cost terms both parties could agree to so there isn't one. Can't guarantee to distribute enough and at a promised price that will still be profitable to you because of how you know or even speculate how the economy or market is going then it's best to not agree in the first place. I've had these instances at work. If you promise something you can't guarantee on paper then it's lawsuit time and if you do make the guarantee work but at a higher cost to you than you thought then you still lose either way unless you don't risk it in the first place if you know better. That's how these mass quantity corporate level distribution contracts work. I've dealt with these signed mass orders that couldn't be met. The legal team along with the accountants as the advisors in some cases if it directly hurts profits immediately get involved.

^^^ The answer is here - somewhere ^^^

 

[kschachn]

Interesting...

Visom... at least was declared in New Life as 64742-71-8 and 64742-70-7, here not. I loved NL visco stability.

Viscosity stability of a base stock? As in viscosity index?

 

[Gimpy1]

the price is really out of control.

Tell me about it thats$540.00 pesos definately out of the affordability window compared to Redline or Ravenol.

 

[wemay]

Just noticed the Pour Point for M1 0w-40 was reduced to -60C:
View attachment 78042
Which isn't remotely close to what's on the SDS, which shows -42C and is from 2019, still showing 10-20% PAO:
View attachment 78044

I checked the UK SDS and it shows <-40C (suitably vague) but also a significant increase in PAO content to 30-40%, and is dated November 9th, 2021:
View attachment 78043

I also checked the German SDS, which is dated November 10th, 2021, and it shows the same increase in PAO content and <-40C for Pour Point.

What doesn't match is KV40 and KV100 at the moment, which are 78 and 13.8 for both the German and UK SDS sheets, while the old US sheet matches the PDS. Will see if those get modified in the next little bit on the US website.

...and AFE 0W-20 went from 20-30% to no mention of it in the new MSDS

 

[OVERKILL]

...and AFE 0W-20 went from 20-30% to no mention of it in the new MSDS

Yup, and we have no idea what it was replaced with, since it isn't on the SDS. Could be an ester or AN for all we know.

 

[ceecbtg]

After check some notes, typical formulations:

a) full PAO (mids 13 [email protected]ºC): 44% SpectraSyn4 + 23% SpectraSyn6 + 10% AN
b) full PAO (mids 12 [email protected]ºC): 34% SpectraSyn4 + 40% SpectraSyn6
c) mineral + PAO (mids 12 [email protected]ºC): 50% Yubase4 + 27% SpectraSyn4. After Visom4 vs GTL.

Today could be EHC45 + SpectraSyn4 + little III because Mobil EHC II+ move.

Viscosity stability of a base stock? As in viscosity index?

Exactly I said NL visco est, as final product base oils mixed, incredible good performance for med-long runs on different engines and driving styles. Of course base oils have their properties as VI and Visom was great on it.

 

[4WD]

...and AFE 0W-20 went from 20-30% to no mention of it in the new MSDS

And 0W20 EP went way back up to where AP was …

 

[2EHA]

Tell me about it thats$540.00 pesos definately out of the affordability window compared to Redline or Ravenol.

qsud 5w40/old formula helix ultra is no slouch and only 19 bucks

 

[blufeb95]

qsud 5w40/old formula helix ultra is no slouch and only 19 bucks

Too bad it looks like QSUD Euro 5W40 was short lived and the Pennzoil appears to be pulling 5W40 in 5qt jugs from the market, at least the 0W40 seems to be spared for now.

 

[Krieg]

How long will it take before the newest iteration is on shelves? Asking for a friend...

 

[travis8352]

Its been -60 for quite some time on the pds