UAW Would Own Majority Of Chrysler, Source Says

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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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We now have a government that hands ownership of companies to whomever donates the most to re-election campaigns.


Isn't this a private company that refused government interference? I believe that I was correct by someone here.



Yes indeed.
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Hey wait, what backroom deals? Where's this new government "transparency"?


... according to a source familiar with the agreement.

That's your transparency; it is leaking info ahead of an agreement announcement.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
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We now have a government that hands ownership of companies to whomever donates the most to re-election campaigns.


Isn't this a private company that refused government interference? I believe that I was correct by someone here.



Yes indeed.

The Government is FORCING a debt for equity swap for the LOANS that they initially issued. Has nothing to do with the above.
They are giving the Union priority over the bond holders which, I believe, is not a typical condition in bankruptcy.
 
So, you would prefer the pension and benefit AGREEMENTS to PEOPLE that WERE SIGNED, SEALED, AND DELIVERED ..get welshed on ..so that OTHERS can lose less??

I see. All is good as long as workers get the main shaft and others can be less scathed in the action.

You do realize when one of your nobles reneges on pension agreements ..the US TAXPAYER picks up some of the shortfall, don't you?

Oh, I forgot. Privatized profits with socialized costs is allowed. It's just socialized costs without someone ripping off the public is a no-no.
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Your humanity cup truly runneth over
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Now it is at least a joint venture.

Come on! Give us "Tempest uncensored" and tell us how you really wanted to grind the average stroking joe's nose into the ground ..and you would have paid for the opportunity to use your boot to do it.

pretty please??
 
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All is good as long as workers get the main shaft and others can be less scathed in the action.

Many of those "others" are workers in other industries that have their 401k's in GM and Chrysler stocks/bonds.
 
So, you choose some to sacrifice while allegedly saving others.

What metric do you use when determining who gets screwed, Tempest?
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
The Government is FORCING a debt for equity swap for the LOANS that they initially issued. Has nothing to do with the above.
They are giving the Union priority over the bond holders which, I believe, is not a typical condition in bankruptcy.


They don't have to take it. They can go for a prepackaged bankruptcy which they may get uncertain amount of return, even if they are secured loan.

Remember, in bankruptcy court labor related claims always get the highest priority. Also the value of an auto company having major union ownership, which makes strike highly unlikely, raise the value of the remaining share.

Now I'm not claiming that it is perfect, but in this economy, settling 2/7 of the value of a junk bond is not bad. The fact that most of them willing to settle (other than the ones that think they deserve "special treatment" due to their secured loan) means that it is the lesser of the 2 evils. You should see what happen to Lehman Bros' bond after it went bust.
 
Man I hate the union mentality. Union labor is nothing more than entitlement welfare.

So how is that organized labor deal working out? It takes a real wizard to stand on their demands to the point of losing their job and then whining and [censored] about republicans screwing them over.

Greed and socialism are the back bone of labor unions.
 
Originally Posted By: digitalSniperX1
Hey wait, what backroom deals? Where's this new government "transparency"?
It is a term to placate the sheep.
 
This is a great way to transform the UAW into a lean, mean, capitalist enterprise. They either shape up and keep the company going, or prove to the world that union mentality is a parasite.
 
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Remember, in bankruptcy court labor related claims always get the highest priority.



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Employees have a priority claim for up to $10,000 in wages, according to bankruptcy law. This means that employees' claims are among the first to be addressed in court, and, it is hoped, among the first to be paid.

But there's a catch or two.

"Only wage claims earned within 180 days before the bankruptcy filing are entitled to priority," says Fred Corbit, a consumer lawyer working for the Northwest Justice Project, a public interest law firm.

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Although "an employee is entitled to be paid if there is money in the estate," a failed business doesn't always have money left over after starting legal proceedings, Corbit says. The last of a company's savings can be consumed by administrative expenses, which come before wage claims in priority.

Amounts over $10,000 are harder to recover because they exceed the maximum priority claim established by bankruptcy code.

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The Fair Labor Standards Act, or FLSA, which ensures that nonexempt employees (hourly employees not exempt from overtime pay) are entitled to wages earned, does not address accrued sick and vacation time and bonuses proffered, according to the federal Department of Labor.

However, bankruptcy code does say that employees are entitled to sick, vacation, bonus and commission pay, as long as it earned within 180 days before bankruptcy.

Future medical benefits also may be in jeopardy after a bankruptcy. If your company continues to exist under Chapter 11 bankruptcy, you may qualify for an extension of medical benefits under COBRA for a limited amount of time.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20090102_surviving_workplace_bankruptcy_a2.asp
I believe these employees have already been paid.
 
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But there's a catch or two.

"Only wage claims earned within 180 days before the bankruptcy filing are entitled to priority," says Fred Corbit, a consumer lawyer working for the Northwest Justice Project, a public interest law firm.


In short, the accountants and attorneys get the first cut.

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Although "an employee is entitled to be paid if there is money in the estate," a failed business doesn't always have money left over after starting legal proceedings, Corbit says. The last of a company's savings can be consumed by administrative expenses, which come before wage claims in priority.

Amounts over $10,000 are harder to recover because they exceed the maximum priority claim established by bankruptcy code.


In short, the owners/board assures that there's very little left to be dispersed in terms of residuals. They bleed it dry in advance.

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This will be great we'll have one automaker owned by the gov't, one by the UAW, and one independent. This will let the gov't and UAW show us once and for all which one is most superior at running a business!
 
You can't view those things too close. I find the contradictions oddly funny. We're consumers ..yet can't see how much of our consumption is wrapped so around the automobile. We complain about this and that, but never ponder the other shoe dropping when we see ills within something.

Getting what you allegedly want always has side effects that you surely won't like. It's just the way things work. UL (Universal Law=GOD'S LAW)
 
Gee what about the CEO's that ran companies into the ground and then went to the gov hat in hand begging for money? Poor ole Wagoner walked away with 20mil when in reality if the board had been doing their job he would have been fired a long time ago.
 
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