Trying Valvoline Restore and Protect in my Fusion but....

[ZZman]

Decided to try it in my Ford Fusion with the 2.5 and with a Frame Endurance filter. The oil is a reasonable price for sure if it works as advertised. I do have a question though.

It says it can clean up to 100% of "deposits". A question I asked the company about sludge removal was basically answered that it is not an engine cleaning treatment.

Anyway the deposits removal is based on 4 consecutive oil changes at "standard intervals"

So what is a standard interval?

Seems like it would be all over the board depending on the manufacturer. The 4 oci's could be as low as 12,000 or say 40,000 miles.

 

[Ayrton]

You're right it is somewhat ambiguous. I'd say 5000-7500 mile OCIs would be about standard. I'm doing 6000-6500 for restore and protect in my Volvo. If you ask Valvoline, I'd imagine "standard" is what your owners manual recommends.

Sludge might clean up in the first couple changes. It's the deposits on pistons that could need the more significant time. I think it's for the pistons that they give the four oil change recommendation, combined with the fact, it gets more people to commit to the oil for four oil changes. Partly true and partly marketing.

 

[BISCUT]

I have no experience with Valvoline Restore & Protect but if I'm using it to "clean" up an engine and have to run 4 OCI's I'm going 5k each as is just seems logical to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

I have no experience with Valvoline Restore & Protect but if I'm using it to "clean" up an engine and have to run 4 OCI's I'm going 5k each as is just seems logical to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

That’s my thinking as well. May be prudent to even go with a shorter OCI. Dependent upon how nasty the engine is, a filter change at 1/2 the OCI could be considered

 

[4WD]

That’s my thinking as well. May be prudent to even go with a shorter OCI. Dependent upon how nasty the engine is, a filter change at 1/2 the OCI could be considered

Certainly a judgement call - but the option to change the oil filter halfway remains logical if one thinks the mill is dirty enough …
In some engines - that requires a quart top up.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Why are people so insistent on believing things about products that even their maker doesn’t claim about them? Valvoline says R&P isn’t designed to remove sludge.

 

[ZZman]

Why are people so insistent on believing things about products that even their maker doesn’t claim about them? Valvoline says R&P isn’t designed to remove sludge.

Yet it would be logical to assume if it cleans up deposits that it should also do some cleaning of sludge. So odd.

 

[ZZman]

Not that I worry about sludge as my vehicles get 5,000 mile oci's with Syn oil and occasionally have done engine flush treatments.

 

[demarpaint]

Why are people so insistent on believing things about products that even their maker doesn’t claim about them? Valvoline says R&P isn’t designed to remove sludge.

As with many things Bitog and oil related one might a$$ume if it is cleaning ring packs and depositing small bits of carbon inside filters, sludge might be fairly easy to break down. OTOH varnish could be the real challenge...........

 

[wpod]

I remember when Auto RX was the rage.

 

[OVERKILL]

Why are people so insistent on believing things about products that even their maker doesn’t claim about them? Valvoline says R&P isn’t designed to remove sludge.

Most oils are advertised as being able to remove sludge, since sludge can basically be "rinsed off", as it's not bonded to the surface. The deposits that VRP claims to remove are much more difficult.

 

[LongTime_Lurker]

One of their videos revealed a drastic improvement in cleanliness over a 90 hour (~4000 mi) test interval. Obviously, this is shorter than what the average vehicle manufacturer requires these days. We can make inferences as to why this is the case.

Many modern vehicles vary the service interval depending on individual driving conditions so I don't think there is one set mileage that everybody can agree on. Engine manufacturers determine the proper intervals and not lubricant blenders!

 

[k1xv]

What does this product do that Rislone did not also claim to do?

https://rislone.com/products/engine-treatment/

 

[Faawrenchbndr]

Why are people so insistent on believing things about products that even their maker doesn’t claim about them? Valvoline says R&P isn’t designed to remove sludge.

With the amount of detergents in that oil, it’s only common sense it’s going to remove some sludge. I personally never had an engine that has developed sludge, I maintain my stuff.

 

[buster]

One of their videos revealed a drastic improvement in cleanliness over a 90 hour (~4000 mi) test interval. Obviously, this is shorter than what the average vehicle manufacturer requires these days. We can make inferences as to why this is the case.

Many modern vehicles vary the service interval depending on individual driving conditions so I don't think there is one set mileage that everybody can agree on. Engine manufacturers determine the proper intervals and not lubricant blenders!

 

[Slick3914]

I remember when Auto RX was the rage.

Auto-RX ruled this board 20 years ago!

 

[bullwinkle]

Shell Rotella Gas Truck has been cleaning carbon out of my (likely neglected ex-rental) Express in my sig, so R&P, with their magical carbon removing solvent detergents, should be able to handle sludge too!

 

[Jetronic]

Decided to try it in my Ford Fusion with the 2.5 and with a Frame Endurance filter. The oil is a reasonable price for sure if it works as advertised. I do have a question though.

It says it can clean up to 100% of "deposits". A question I asked the company about sludge removal was basically answered that it is not an engine cleaning treatment.

Anyway the deposits removal is based on 4 consecutive oil changes at "standard intervals"

So what is a standard interval?

Seems like it would be all over the board depending on the manufacturer. The 4 oci's could be as low as 12,000 or say 40,000 miles.

the engine with 40k interval might be gunked up 3x as bad as the 12k one....

 

[BlakeB]

One of their videos revealed a drastic improvement in cleanliness over a 90 hour (~4000 mi) test interval. Obviously, this is shorter than what the average vehicle manufacturer requires these days. We can make inferences as to why this is the case.

Many modern vehicles vary the service interval depending on individual driving conditions so I don't think there is one set mileage that everybody can agree on. Engine manufacturers determine the proper intervals and not lubricant blenders!

At around 14 minutes they talk about it.

 

[dkryan]

I remember when Auto RX was the rage.

I’ve been on this board for 20+ years and I clearly recall any rage regarding Auto-RX being directed straight at Frank, the “inventor” and marketer of that product.

There was some serious hate by some now (fortunately) ex-board members but there’s a couple of members still here that loaded up a few rounds into the hate cannon.

Nope, not skepticism, just plain old nastiness!