Toyota TV commercial

[d00df00d]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
It's amazing just how easily brainwashed the American public really is

It's not brainwashing. It's the momentum of popular opinion.


Originally Posted By: dailydriver
and how fast they forget what rustbucket Ps.O.S. the early Nippon/TOY products were, i.e.; Toyopets, Coronas, etc.

Given that those cars are very old and the new ones are nothing like them, I'd say it's a good thing they forgot.

Plus, a long memory is exactly what is holding the domestic automakers down right now. They've been making decent cars for a few years and people are only now just starting to notice. If I were you, I'd hope for an even shorter memory with respect to substandard cars.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
If I were you, I'd hope for an even shorter memory with respect to substandard cars.

But given the recent events, that would make me be for TOY/Japan, Inc., which I most certainly am NOT!!!

 

[Vizzy]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
It's amazing just how easily brainwashed the American public really is

It's not brainwashing. It's the momentum of popular opinion.

I'd argue that it is a BOTH elements that play a part.

Unfortunately in the US today very few people seem to have an open and independent mind to do research on their own, instead looking to so called experts..which many times are nothing more than paid PR people with a specific agenda, not a balanced conclusion.

 

[Durango]

If it's the same TV commercial that's running here in California then you know Toyota running scared. After the smoke clears Toyota may have to pull out.

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: Durango
If it's the same TV commercial that's running here in California then you know Toyota running scared. After the smoke clears Toyota may have to pull out.

Of what, the U.S. domestic market??!!
One could ONLY; hope, wish and pray for that brother!!!

But it ain't gonna happen, not with the loyal, brainwashed masses clinging to their TOYS until even death.

 

[d00df00d]

Oh, teh melodramas...

 

[ShiningArcanine]

Originally Posted By: Norse
That is funny, I thought they were forced to shut down. It's just too bad is was only temporary, so I wouldn't have to see anymore of those POS's on the road.

It was entirely voluntarily. Many former owners of so called domestic manufacturers' vehicles can say the same with regard to them. I have an uncle that says the same regarding his 1993 Chevrolet Blazer, which he sold last last after getting a Nissan.

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Durango
If it's the same TV commercial that's running here in California then you know Toyota running scared. After the smoke clears Toyota may have to pull out.

Of what, the U.S. domestic market??!!
One could ONLY; hope, wish and pray for that brother!!!

But it ain't gonna happen, not with the loyal, brainwashed masses clinging to their TOYS until even death.

WOW! easy dude.

It`ll be alright.

 

[bruno]

I'm waiting for commercial where the head of Toyota guts himself publicly .

 

[d00df00d]

What in the heck made you think it was a good idea to post that?

 

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted By: d00df00d
What in the heck made you think it was a good idea to post that?


Yes, maybe it was uncalled for, but it IS the tradition (in The Land Of The Rising Sun) that some in this country (even maybe some on here) think is a good idea for executive/management failure.

 

[d00df00d]

No maybes. It was uncalled for, period.

However, I would love to hear more about your qualifications to discuss Japanese tradition and culture.

I'd also like to know more about your knowledge of exactly what went on inside Toyota's management during this crisis that informs you so well as to who was responsible for what.

You know, whenever you get a chance.

 

[VNTS]

Originally Posted By: bruno
I'm waiting for commercial where the head of Toyota guts himself publicly .



The emporer Toyoda(or what ever his name is) wont even come over to testify before congress. Guess he knows they have something to hide and he refuses to be grilled on the stand under oath.
Does not want to go to jail for lying I would assume.

But he will allow his American counterparts to jump on the sword for him. Real good leader ha!

 

[Jonny Z]

I think language barrier is a big factor. He was struggling with the apology in English.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Toyota is a fine company that has provided excellent vehicles over the years. It's just their turn on the block.
WHen you put anything or anyone on a pedastool you set them up to fail.
Tiger woods was a brand that could walk on water we set him up to fail,

Toyota =perfect
Set up for failure

A politician can be expected to change the world
He's Set up for failure

Let's talk about the scale of impact for Toyota

Toyota could buy Volkswagon for what they have lost in market value over the past year. ANd that's front pocket change. In the range of 20-30 billion dollars of value lost. They are still worth 120+billion.

Having owned Toyotas before I would not hesitate to buy one again if I get a good deal as I always do if I make a purchase.

Currently I am thinking about getting a better mileage miser for long cross country trips, as flying has become too miserable to bear, the 4 cylinder Camry will cost me less than the 4 cylinder Ford Fusion. I like both cars and If I make a purchase decision in the next month The current news issue will not effect my decision. I will purchase the better deal.

Loyalty to a brand is silly. Knowing a good product and value is my game.

 

[brianl703]

You routinely keep 1/4 of your net worth as pocket change?

 

[VNTS]

Toyota= Perfect??

Stop drinking the Kool aid.

I have family members that have/had them, they are far from perfect, some only owned one and that was enough to switch brands and try something else.

AS most have mentioned, the elite media has ball washed Toyota for the last 25 years and place them on a pedestal.
Now they are getting well deserved bad press that can not be ignored. They have commited the worst sin in the automotive business, placed their customers lives at risk and covered it up with lies. Hopefully this will make it difficult for some to drink the kool aid and they will remember next time their in the market that Toyota does not equal the best, unlike the claims in their stupid commercials.



Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
Toyota is a fine company that has provided excellent vehicles over the years. It's just their turn on the block.
WHen you put anything or anyone on a pedastool you set them up to fail.
Tiger woods was a brand that could walk on water we set him up to fail,

Toyota =perfect
Set up for failure

A politician can be expected to change the world
He's Set up for failure

Let's talk about the scale of impact for Toyota

Toyota could buy Volkswagon for what they have lost in market value over the past year. ANd that's front pocket change. In the range of 20-30 billion dollars of value lost. They are still worth 120+billion.

Having owned Toyotas before I would not hesitate to buy one again if I get a good deal as I always do if I make a purchase.

Currently I am thinking about getting a better mileage miser for long cross country trips, as flying has become too miserable to bear, the 4 cylinder Camry will cost me less than the 4 cylinder Ford Fusion. I like both cars and If I make a purchase decision in the next month The current news issue will not effect my decision. I will purchase the better deal.

Loyalty to a brand is silly. Knowing a good product and value is my game.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Did I say Toyota was perfect?
I was illustrating the folly of expectations.
Please refrain from falling for the mob mentality and put the pitchfork and torch down.
I look forward to seeing actual facts and not hysterical reactive claims. Facts are how issues are addresed.
FYI.
I currently only own jeeps and Fords, who have both had Safey related issues in the past too.
Naming an automaker of a mass produced scale who has not had their turn on the safety recal press pedastal would prove difficult.

I sense some are feel this is deserved on Toyota in particular. I say any automaker deserves it.

I don't limit this failure to learn to any brand. I think it is epedimic in the industry.
Don't take this simplisticly or literally with a specific issue. Failures occur in mechanics and electronics, anyone with a vehicle or a computer has experienced this.

The failures the industry has is how it in general reacts once it recognizes an issue. THe current feeding frenzy and cannibalism is not going to help improve this behaviour.

 

[Bryanccfshr]

Originally Posted By: brianl703
You routinely keep 1/4 of your net worth as pocket change?


Buying an asset for any value still maintains the net worth. Buying Volkswagon(which is purely an example) for 30 billion would not change the net worth of the comapany .

I have purchase orders on Toyota stock when it drops to a certain point. Long term they are still the big dog and a safe bet. I am no investment expert and all that disclaimer [censored]...

 

[brianl703]

I think you missed my point. You state that the amount of money Toyota lost is "pocket change", yet, according to your figures, it is approximately 1/4 of the value of the company.

That isn't "pocket change", anymore than $125,000 is "pocket change" to someone with a net worth of $500,000.