Toyota CEO Claims EVs Worsen co2-emissions, Pushes Back on Proposed ICE Bans

Not just the demand for electricity to charge the EVs....but producing the components is a "dirty" process as well. And then there is the disposal of all of these components as they reach the end of their lives.

Most people scream GREEN, GREEN, GREEN! But that's because it doesn't actually effective the average person yet. Tell them that gas is $8 a gallon or to purchase a Honda Fit size vehicle for $45k and see how many of those people still scream GREEN!
 
From the article.

Japan gets most of its grid energy from coal and natural gas today, but there’s a big backstory. The country has endured a decade of power issues, stemming largely back to 2011, when the country endured both an earthquake and a tsunami.

Any EV is only as green as the grid powering it, and if thats what you got - you may be going backwards.
 
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Much is rotten with the typical contemporary long-range Tesla of oversized batteries and heavy wiring falsely seen as a no-brainer. But that's quite old news everywhere between Greenpeace and Mazda, Arctic and Antarctic, Venice and Kiribati. And it's no more rotten than with plain gas & diesel.
For Toyota of course that's an unusual situation between their fleet of hybrids, their hydrogen FCEV and their more reasonable solid state batteries around the corner.

Toyota is adjusting on the go and with such groan, but that's all. Fast reacharging of the CEO's own solid state will tame the snoring and breathlessness and make for brilliant flexibility. If Toyota with a few suppliers wanted to turn around now against freshly refreshed eco systems, these TSLAnon would just buy them all, you know...

The EV as such is not seriously questioned.
 
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If Toyota had a BEV follow up to the Prius that was priced within reach of the hoi polloi, Tesla and GM wouldn’t be a thorn on their side today. The “experiment” with FCEVs is a flop outside of public transit. And even there, fuel cell buses are dominated by one supplier of fuel cells(Ballard) and two bus manufacturers(New Flyer and VanHool). Mercedes wanted in on FCEVs but BEV makes more sense due to economies of scale.

Even if Toyota managed to get the Mirai to cost not much more than a fully-loaded Lexus ES, the question about hydrogen filling stations still lingers. There’s no buy-in from the downstream ops of the oil companies and they don’t seem interested in reforming H2 from natural gas. And good luck finding filling stations outside of the population centers of California/Oregon/Washington and Vancouver.
 
It's not a car manufacturer's place to decide. If the market and/or the government demands EVs, Toyota will buckle down and build them or someone else will.
 
Well if they make less electric vehicles because that’s what they believe then that’s great because I don’t like electric vehicles.
 
Hogwash said:
Not just the demand for electricity to charge the EVs....but producing the components is a "dirty" process as well. And then there is the disposal of all of these components as they reach the end of their lives.

Most people scream GREEN, GREEN, GREEN! But that's because it doesn't actually effective the average person yet. Tell them that gas is $8 a gallon or to purchase a Honda Fit size vehicle for $45k and see how many of those people still scream GREEN!
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Indeed. While "well to wheels" for an EV is dirty, where it gets its power during its lifetime is equally important.

The main advantage of EV's is the displacement of ground-level pollution in urban centres. Even if they are charged with dirty power, this helps clean up the air in these locations unless the generators are directly adjacent, which they usually aren't.

Of course since the goal is, or should be, the reduction of emissions overall, the charging source becomes important. While gas is cleaner than coal, that's not setting the bar very high. Gas and VRE grids are a slight improvement but are unable to achieve deep decarbonization. The only two technologies capable of achieving, and maintaining, deep decarbonization are hydro and nuclear and there are complications with both of those options that range from politics to geography. Cost is also a significant factor in either case. The Muskrat Falls generating station in Labrador, with a nameplate capacity of 824MW has cost $12.7 billion dollars, more than target price of the 3,512MW refurbishment of Darlington Nuclear in Ontario. Similar cost overruns have happened at Site C in British Columbia.
 
wemay said:
I've read other articles where Toyoda's opinion is being dismissed in this frenzied environment where EV is everything to some.

www.greencarreports.com

Report: Toyota CEO claims EVs worsen CO2 emissions, pushes back on proposed ICE bans

Toyota is far from bullish about the potential of electric vehicles over the next few years—at least in its home market of Japan.
www.greencarreports.com www.greencarreports.com
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The reason Toyota is dismissed is because they make a comment like the one above that a 52% EFF round trip BEV is unworkable but a 6% efficiency Hydrogen car is the solution instead
 
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