Toyota 4.0L 1GR-FE w/224k, M1 w/6900 miles

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This is a OAI "value" report
Oil = Mobil1 5w20 AFE, 14 mths, 6900 miles
Full flow filter = Fram Ultra XG8A
Bypass filter = Amsoil EaBP90 (1st run)
Air Filter = Fram XGA9683 (1st run)
PCV changed @ 197K miles
Vehicle 2007 Toyota FJ w/gasoline 4.0L 1GR-FE w/VVTi w/224k miles.
I have always run regular unleaded, Toyota recommends premium.
It does NOT consume any oil and has never thrown a code.
It's my daily driver since 2009. But my driving habits have changed.
It gets nothing but short trips now, rarely roams more than 8 miles from home.
So, I sampled it earlier than ever, and based on these results, I'll change it earlier than ever.
Soon, with either: leftover M Delvac1 ESP 5w30,
or leftover Kirkland 5w30
I'll cut the XG8A apart and post pictures when I change it (soon).

Sample#1 - Dec 2010 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 17,000 miles
Sample#2 - Dec 2011 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 18,700 miles
Sample#3 - Aug 2012 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 12,200 miles
Sample#4 - May 2013 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 14,000 miles
Sample#5 - Mar 2014 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 15,000 miles
Sample#6 - Nov 2014 = Amsoil ACD 10w30 - 14,200 miles
Sample#7 - Jul 2015 = SuperTech Syn 5w30 - 10,100 miles
Sample#8 - Apr 2016 = Mobil1 5w30 - 11,000 miles
Sample#9 - Aug 2017 = Mobil1 5w30 - 13,000 miles
Sample#10 - Oct 2018 = Mobil1 5w30 - 14,500 miles
Sample#11 - Sep 2019 = Delvac1 ESP 5w40 - 11,000 miles
Sample#12 - Oct 2020 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 11,100 miles
Sample#13 - Jan 2022 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 10,000 miles
Sample#14 - Mar 2023 = Mobil1 5w20 - 6900 miles

Why you may ask? Why Not?

What say you?

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From your oil change history, you favor long OCI's. Not criticizing, but if I were you, I would run Mobil 1 5W-30 ESP with Fram Ultra filters, and do 5k OCI for the rest of the life of the vehicle, and try to get another 200k out of the Toyota.
 
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jetman said:
This is a OAI "value" report
Oil = Mobil1 5w20 AFE, 14 mths, 6900 miles
Full flow filter = Fram Ultra XG8A
Bypass filter = Amsoil EaBP90 (1st run)
Air Filter = Fram XGA9683 (1st run)
PCV changed @ 197K miles
Vehicle 2007 Toyota FJ w/gasoline 4.0L 1GR-FE w/VVTi w/224k miles.
I have always run regular unleaded, Toyota recommends premium.
It does NOT consume any oil and has never thrown a code.
It's my daily driver since 2009. But my driving habits have changed.
It gets nothing but short trips now, rarely roams more than 8 miles from home.
So, I sampled it earlier than ever, and based on these results, I'll change it earlier than ever.
Soon, with either: leftover M Delvac1 ESP 5w30,
or leftover Kirkland 5w30
I'll cut the XG8A apart and post pictures when I change it (soon).

Sample#1 - Dec 2010 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 17,000 miles
Sample#2 - Dec 2011 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 18,700 miles
Sample#3 - Aug 2012 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 12,200 miles
Sample#4 - May 2013 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 14,000 miles
Sample#5 - Mar 2014 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 15,000 miles
Sample#6 - Nov 2014 = Amsoil ACD 10w30 - 14,200 miles
Sample#7 - Jul 2015 = SuperTech Syn 5w30 - 10,100 miles
Sample#8 - Apr 2016 = Mobil1 5w30 - 11,000 miles
Sample#9 - Aug 2017 = Mobil1 5w30 - 13,000 miles
Sample#10 - Oct 2018 = Mobil1 5w30 - 14,500 miles
Sample#11 - Sep 2019 = Delvac1 ESP 5w40 - 11,000 miles
Sample#12 - Oct 2020 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 11,100 miles
Sample#13 - Jan 2022 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 10,000 miles
Sample#14 - Mar 2023 = Mobil1 5w20 - 6900 miles

Why you may ask? Why Not?

What say you?

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Looks good!
 
i don't think you can go wrong with whatever you choose for your driving habits, that old V6 just can't be bothered to do anything but run! some of those silicon levels were really high, was that after a gasket reseal job or something going on with the intake?
 
Wondering why oil sample #4 has much lower Fe ppm? It wasn't on the lower end of your OCI range either.

Unrelated sidenote: Have the valves ever been adjusted?
 
jetman said:
This is a OAI "value" report
Oil = Mobil1 5w20 AFE, 14 mths, 6900 miles
Full flow filter = Fram Ultra XG8A
Bypass filter = Amsoil EaBP90 (1st run)
Air Filter = Fram XGA9683 (1st run)
PCV changed @ 197K miles
Vehicle 2007 Toyota FJ w/gasoline 4.0L 1GR-FE w/VVTi w/224k miles.
I have always run regular unleaded, Toyota recommends premium.
It does NOT consume any oil and has never thrown a code.
It's my daily driver since 2009. But my driving habits have changed.
It gets nothing but short trips now, rarely roams more than 8 miles from home.
So, I sampled it earlier than ever, and based on these results, I'll change it earlier than ever.
Soon, with either: leftover M Delvac1 ESP 5w30,
or leftover Kirkland 5w30
I'll cut the XG8A apart and post pictures when I change it (soon).

Sample#1 - Dec 2010 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 17,000 miles
Sample#2 - Dec 2011 = Amsoil SS 0w30 - 18,700 miles
Sample#3 - Aug 2012 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 12,200 miles
Sample#4 - May 2013 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 14,000 miles
Sample#5 - Mar 2014 = Amsoil AMO 10w40 - 15,000 miles
Sample#6 - Nov 2014 = Amsoil ACD 10w30 - 14,200 miles
Sample#7 - Jul 2015 = SuperTech Syn 5w30 - 10,100 miles
Sample#8 - Apr 2016 = Mobil1 5w30 - 11,000 miles
Sample#9 - Aug 2017 = Mobil1 5w30 - 13,000 miles
Sample#10 - Oct 2018 = Mobil1 5w30 - 14,500 miles
Sample#11 - Sep 2019 = Delvac1 ESP 5w40 - 11,000 miles
Sample#12 - Oct 2020 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 11,100 miles
Sample#13 - Jan 2022 = Delvac1 ESP 5w30 - 10,000 miles
Sample#14 - Mar 2023 = Mobil1 5w20 - 6900 miles

Why you may ask? Why Not?

What say you?

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What SUPER fantastic data and info!!! Thanks a million for doing all this work and posting.

The wife and I purchased a 2007 FJ, back in the spring of 2021. It had 208k on it and we rolled it up to 235k, before selling to a family member. (We swapped it for a Jeep Wrangler, to tow behind our RV.) Well, we missed the FJ so much.... that when I ran across a great local deal (2007 with 150k miles and a garage queen), I jumped on it.

Anyway, I will be doing the first oil change on the FJ this coming weekend and I have been doing a lot of reading and research. Boy, it seems you will get quickly flamed over on the FJ forum if you suggest using one of the bigger filters. They all claim the filters drain out between starts and it takes too long and too much stress on the engine to refill the bigger filters. I wonder what your opinion is regarding this? I had an XG8A in my hand, but placed it back on the shelf and opted for the M1 301A, which is basically identical in size.

I guess I should say that my motivations to use the bigger filter are: 1. I can pour in all 6 quarts. 2. 1/2 a quart more oil. 3. A lot more filter capacity and material. 4. The possibility to run the filter across to oil changes.

I have a couple of questions.

1. You reference the Fram XG8A. Is this the only filter you have been using since 2010? Any comments or thoughts since you have done this for a decade plus?

2. So interesting you moved to a 20wt oil, after 200k miles of 30wt oils. Why?

3. Why was the Silicon so high with the Delvac oils?

4. If money and availability of oil and filters were no issues.... what would you choose today?
 
BigJohn said:
I have a couple of questions.
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I'm glad you like my info/data

I like learning & disproving ole wives tales, and from myths daddy and granddaddy, etc. Also, if something I tried damaged an engine in one of our cars I have the skills, time, and resources to easily take care it. We have 4 daily drivers and two drivers, we'd be out vey little. The risk/reward is there for me.

I post my UOA results at the FJC forum too (retiredjetman). Not the sharpest tools in the shed, but that's true everywhere. You know what they say about opinions?

We have been towing our FJ 4 down since 2010, probably another 50k miles. Odometer doesn't register when towing.

Read all my ole post here on BITOG about the FJ UOA.

Q#1. You reference the Fram XG8A. Is this the only filter you have been using since 2010? Any comments or thoughts since you have done this for a decade plus?
A#1. as far as I can remember yes, adds oil capacity and filtering capacity. Fram Ultras are great

Q#2. So interesting you moved to a 20wt oil, after 200k miles of 30wt oils. Why?
A#2, Why not? The 1GR-FE in our FJ is very easy on oil. If you don't like changing oil? run a top shelf synthetic. Or run the cheap stuff and change it twice as often.

Q#3. Why was the Silicon so high with the Delvac oils?
A#3, Si has always been high? probably an induction leak that I've never found? Its obvious to me it's not hurting anything. Maybe the bypass is cleaning up the mess? Maybe its the good oils I have always run. Maybe it's a whole lot to do about nothing? Delvac difference? Haven't a clue? Its a top shelf dual rated oil.

Q#4. If money and availability of oil and filters were no issues.... what would you choose today?
A#4, that's always been the case for us. But we don't take pride in burning $ like some folks do.
 
Today I drained out this load (M1 5w20) finally. It had 8500 miles and 18 mths.

This time around I went back in with a custom blend, 4 1/2 qts of Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w30, and 2 qts of Valvoline PB "RESTORE".
Installed new Fram Titanium FS8A in the full flow position and a Amsoil EaBP90 on the remote bypass filter mount position.
Sent a sample to a OAI/Polaris lab to get a baseline. Sample was draw after driving the vehicle around with the custom blend for 30 mins to mix it up good.

I'll cut open the XG8A that came off and post pics soon.
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Nice data. Looks like the takeaway is probably it makes no difference if you ran a 12 dollar per quart synthetic or a 5.50 dollar per quart synthetic and no difference if it was changed at 6k or 13k miles.
 
I changed my mind on my custom blend I went with in the 07 Toyota 4.0L 1GRFE. I went with 4.5 qts of SuperTech 10k and 2 qts Valvoline PB "Restore". I sent a virgin sample to the lab.
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No, I didn't mix it up before putting it in the engine. Poured it in separately.

Yes to Polaris/OAI Houston

Kit came from JG Lubricant Services
 
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