Toyota 0W-20 - Did it change again based on Project Farm's VOA molybdenum data?

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I was interested in running this in my new Honda Pilot for first oil change soon around 3k miles.

We know we've seen the results of it being tested and returning near 800ppm Moly.

Project Farm's OEM oil test earlier this year showed it's results from Blackstone at only ~65 Moly.

Anybody know what the deal is here??
 
Given that toyota uses mobil as their oem supplier and mobil partially owns infineum they almost certainly now use their trinuclear molybdenum which works in lower concentrations.

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The real question is how’d it do in the cold oil slide race.
haha. I don't know what to think of all that stuff, but did look at his VOAs of the oil near the end. Toyota had been coming back from OA's with Molyb in the 700ish range and then his report comes back at like 65.
 
Given that toyota uses mobil as their oem supplier and mobil partially owns infineum they almost certainly now use their trinuclear molybdenum which works in lower concentrations.

That is what I suspect they transitioned to as well, just had never seen confirmation that they used organic moly vs. tri. Since it appears all others have gone to Tri-nuc, I suspect you are correct they transitioned over and hence the lower counts.
 
If I remember correctly it’s been a while since the moly drop. Not an oil I’d specifically seek out either way with what’s available a Wally World for under $30 per jug.
 
haha. I don't know what to think of all that stuff, but did look at his VOAs of the oil near the end. Toyota had been coming back from OA's with Molyb in the 700ish range and then his report comes back at like 65.
Just pick an oil that won the coffee pot on the griddle test and you should be fine.
 
That is what I suspect they transitioned to as well, just had never seen confirmation that they used organic moly vs. tri. Since it appears all others have gone to Tri-nuc, I suspect you are correct they transitioned over and hence the lower counts.
Not 100% sure but I think the switch from dinuclear to tri was because it'd fall out of suspension unlike the new stuff.
 
Nice. Well hopefully this thread will help others with wondering if Toyota has or used to have a magical Molybdenum content compared to rest of the industry.
 
Doesn't too much moly cause deposit formation?
I think you'd need a lot of it, but having less metallics while providing the same efficacy is certainly advantageous from both an economics perspective as well as minimizing the presence of components that could form deposits or increase their propensity.
 
HPL has quite of molybdenum…

I believe it is the high end molybdenum too. They use that in far higher amounts vs any regular off the shelf oils.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1, Pennzoil, Chevron, Valvoline, Quaker State etc etc etc…
 
Are you the same poster that was enthralled with the magical Toyota oil before?
I’d hardly call TGMO in any of its various formulas “magical”. their plan has always been to use really thin base oils with lots of VIIs that shear, and then rely on the moly to hopefully keep the metal parts from making direct contact.

If there’s been anything “magical” about TGMO, I’d say it’s its propensity to clog Toyota oil rings and turn the engines into oil burners!
 
HPL has quite of molybdenum…

I believe it is the high end molybdenum too. They use that in far higher amounts vs any regular off the shelf oils.

Nothing wrong with Mobil 1, Pennzoil, Chevron, Valvoline, Quaker State etc etc etc…
HPL uses a blend of moly types with the goal being the best AW and FM performance with price not being a factor.
 
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