Hi Guys,
It is my first post so I would like to say Hello to All.
I am about to change the engine oil in my car and looking at buying one of the following:
Total Quartz Energy 0W30
Motul X-clean FE 5W30
Or alternatively:
Motul X-clean 5W30
Which of these would be the better choice?
The car is a 2000 model year Peugeot with the HDI Diesel engine with no DPF. Used in mild climate (no harsh winters or hot summers).
I will appreciate your comments.
Total Quartz Energy 9000 or Motul 8100 X-clean FE
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What are you currently running?
Originally Posted By: Ga129
What are you currently running?
Do you feel like it is running properly with the oil that is currently in it?
Compare them on that Russian heat experiment site. I believe both burnt leaving the Becker pretty dirty.
I am currently running 3 quarts of total quartz ineo mc3 5w30 in my Yukon (along with .40 qts of Mobil 5000 5w30, .75qt of Pennzoil Plat 5w30, 1 qt of O'reilly's syn 10w30, and 1 qt of kendall syn blend 10w30)(I wanted to use up all of the misc oil). Using a pure 1 filter
my oil life monitor is already down to 79% after 1350 miles. . . . and I drive about 65/70% highway for 20 miles each way.
I may have to change this stuff out early and put in Napa syn 5w30
I may not be a specialist, but I won't use the two Motul X-clean oils, since they are low/mid saps (according to their C3 specs). Total is 229.5 so should be (relatively) high SAPS, better suited for your engine (since no dpf and quite old tech).
Is this the 2.0L 90 ou 110hp?
You may have a look at Mobil 1 0W40, or alternatively the Motul X-cess products (not X-clean). I thought these engines called for a 40 grade, but there may have been different specs where I live (friend of mine had a Peugeot 806 with 2.0L HDI 110hp and it called for 5W40/10W40 as far as I remember...he used 10W40 oil from new and sold the car with 300000Km+, failed master cylinder and other electronic stuff like dashboard, but engine was still ok).
Alternatively you may try some HDEO oils, if you have a truck/boat shop nearby they may sell you some 5W30 like Mobil Delvac...or heavier grades.
Originally Posted By: Ga129
Do you feel like it is running properly with the oil that is currently in it?
Originally Posted By: Popsy
I may not be a specialist, but I won't use the two Motul X-clean oils, since they are low/mid saps (according to their C3 specs). Total is 229.5 so should be (relatively) high SAPS, better suited for your engine (since no dpf and quite old tech).
Is this the 2.0L 90 ou 110hp?
Personnaly I'd stay with 0w40 or 5w40, the cheapest you can find with 229.5 cert...but I'm a «thick» oil guy (lol), and these oils tend to be cheaper than good full saps 0w30 or 5w30.
Hdeo may be a bit too much, but sometimes they are cheaper when bought in bulk, so...
Seweryn,
Can you make a picture of the manual and put it here? The car manual is a bible, so despite mentioning SAE viscosity it should also mention ACEA specs (at least in 1998 revision).
Taking into account that your engine is quite old and that it does not have DPF most likely it was not designed for low/mid SAP oils (Motul oils you specified). However to be 100% we need to see the manual.
Originally Posted By: Seweryn
The engine is the 2.0 110 HP. The car owner's manual lists various oils that can be used, like 10W40, 5W40, and states that the Fuel Economy oil (i.e. 5W30 or 0W30) can only be used in engines designed for its use (from 2000 Model Year), so my car qualifies for this and is filled with 5W30 oil at present to the best of my knowledge (although I don't know what exactly oil it is).
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Hello from old blighty Seweryn!
It's always best to stick to the recommended grade in the owners manual, as long as you do that you can't go wrong.
I've checked on my data system for a 2000 206 2.0HDi (should be similar) and this is what it comes up with, looks like you have plenty of artistic licence.
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 From -30 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 5W-40 From -30 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil ACEA B3 SAE 10W-40 From -20 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 10W-40 From -20 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 0W-30 From -45 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 0W-30 From -45 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil ACEA B5 SAE 5W-30 From -30 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil ACEA C2 SAE 5W-30 From -30 °C to 45 °C
I run a 5w-40 ACEA A3/B4 in our 1.6HDi non FAP cars, the fuel economy oils are just that so they wont protect the engine any better, just give you very slightly better mpg due to reduced oil drag (usually compared to a 15w40 mineral oil).
We use Total engine oils and Motul transmission oils in our workshop, both excellent so you will be doing the right thing with either companies so just get the application right.
Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Can you make a picture of the manual and put it here? The car manual is a bible, so despite mentioning SAE viscosity it should also mention ACEA specs (at least in 1998 revision).
Taking into account that your engine is quite old and that it does not have DPF most likely it was not designed for low/mid SAP oils (Motul oils you specified). However to be 100% we need to see the manual.
I understand the specific Motul oils (designed for engines with DPF) are not really recommended for my engine...
Originally Posted By: riggaz
Hello from old blighty Seweryn!
It's always best to stick to the recommended grade in the owners manual, as long as you do that you can't go wrong.
I've checked on my data system for a 2000 206 2.0HDi (should be similar) and this is what it comes up with, looks like you have plenty of artistic licence.
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 5W-40 From -30 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 5W-40 From -30 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil ACEA B3 SAE 10W-40 From -20 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 10W-40 From -20 °C to 50 °C
Engine oil ACEA B4 SAE 0W-30 From -45 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil API CF SAE 0W-30 From -45 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil ACEA B5 SAE 5W-30 From -30 °C to 45 °C
Engine oil ACEA C2 SAE 5W-30 From -30 °C to 45 °C
I run a 5w-40 ACEA A3/B4 in our 1.6HDi non FAP cars, the fuel economy oils are just that so they wont protect the engine any better, just give you very slightly better mpg due to reduced oil drag (usually compared to a 15w40 mineral oil).
We use Total engine oils and Motul transmission oils in our workshop, both excellent so you will be doing the right thing with either companies so just get the application right.
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I understand the viscosity differences, etc., but just looking for a good product that I will stick with. The current oil (which is 5W-30 AFAIK) seems to work fine, the engine burns no oil and is very economical. It actually is the most economical car I have ever had and I had a good few in the last couple of decades...
Seweryn,
As expected the manual recommends ACEA 1998 sequence of B4 oil for your engine. Therefore you should stick with ACEA B4 oils in 5W-40 viscosity.
If you prefer Total oils in this case Total Quartz 9000 5W-40 may be a good choice for your engine.
Originally Posted By: Seweryn
Here is the manual for the car:
Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Seweryn,
As expected the manual recommends ACEA 1998 sequence of B4 oil for your engine. Therefore you should stick with ACEA B4 oils in 5W-40 viscosity.
If you prefer Total oils in this case Total Quartz 9000 5W-40 may be a good choice for your engine.
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Originally Posted By: Grambo
even though i have GDI turbo engine, I bought 5W-40 total quartz 9000 from amazon and the turbo KIA owners love it.
Hello Seweryn,
If you want absolutely the best oil while still sticking to Total brand you can also try TOTAL Quartz Energy 9000 5W-40 (http://totalengineoils.com/quartz-9000-energy-5w40/) which features MB 229.5 approval compared to MB 229.3 which is carried by TOTAL Quartz 5W-40.
The above suggestion only makes sense if the price difference between two oils is small in your region. Otherwise TOTAL Quartz 5W-40 should be perfectly fine.
The MB 229.5 is one of the most strict specification which oil can carry and usually if you can get an MB 229.5 oil for the decent price it is a good deal and you should go for it. You can compare different oil specs at this web-site: https://www.lubrizol.com/apps/relperftool/pc.html as well as read more about MB 229.5 on this forum.
Originally Posted By: Seweryn
On the side note, I actually have just changed the engine oil in my other new old car and used the Quartz 5W-40 as you mentioned as it was rather inexpensive (it is a 30-year old Honda Prelude). I may consider that oil for the 406.
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Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Hello Seweryn,
If you want absolutely the best oil while still sticking to Total brand you can also try TOTAL Quartz Energy 9000 5W-40 (http://totalengineoils.com/quartz-9000-energy-5w40/) which features MB 229.5 approval compared to MB 229.3 which is carried by TOTAL Quartz 5W-40.
The above suggestion only makes sense if the price difference between two oils is small in your region. Otherwise TOTAL Quartz 5W-40 should be perfectly fine.
The MB 229.5 is one of the most strict specification which oil can carry and usually if you can get an MB 229.5 oil for the decent price it is a good deal and you should go for it. You can compare different oil specs at this web-site: https://www.lubrizol.com/apps/relperftool/pc.html as well as read more about MB 229.5 on this forum.
Energy 0W30 is on my shortlist of oils to try...
and the shortlist is very short, only 3 oils on it...
Total Quartz Energy 0w30 (pao/ester oil)
Gulf Formula GMX 5w30 (grIII, but a no-shear oil apparently, low viscosity when cold)
Valvoline Synpower 5w30 (thinner than total, thicker than Gulf but most easy to get locally)
all 3 are MB229.5
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Originally Posted By: Seweryn
Another option I found are some Castrol and maybe Liqui Moly oils available, but most of them do not have the mentioned MB 229.5 approval and the oils from Castrol are sold in 4 litre containers.
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