I've read many of the concerns of brands and wts of oils that have been discussed and have come to the conclusion that it is all mostly each person's own opinion.Including mine.I'm 63 and have owned 50+ vehicles and have used a variety of oils and have never had a engine failure due to oil and today's oil is so much superior over the oils of the past that I'm persuaded that most engines will last longer than we keep them.This is just my opinion and it won't keep me from reading and considering your comments.
Too much concern??
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BOXCAR,
You are right on the money with your statement. It's just fun to look for and talk about the ragid edge of the best oils. After being on the board for awhile I went from 3K OCI's with Valvoline to 5K with M1 and now everything I have gets annual OCI's with Amsoil. I have never had an oil related problem that I did not cause myself. IE breaking the oil pump drive or rear cam bearing not slid back far enough.
You are right on the money with your statement. It's just fun to look for and talk about the ragid edge of the best oils. After being on the board for awhile I went from 3K OCI's with Valvoline to 5K with M1 and now everything I have gets annual OCI's with Amsoil. I have never had an oil related problem that I did not cause myself. IE breaking the oil pump drive or rear cam bearing not slid back far enough.
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Are you guys suggesting we should be obsessing over something else?
Not at all -- this is good clean fun, and I learn some cool stuff as we go.
Having owned 50+ vehicles, with those kinds of numbers you probably haven't kept any of those cars for more than a 1-4 years each. Many of the people here drive older vehicles, have acquired vehicles of dubious maintenance, tend to keep cars for longer periods - they just want to be on top of the minimal they can do for their vehicles' health and longevity.
BOXCAR, you are correct.
Now, I will tell you how my membership here came to be.
Unlike you, I drive my vehicles until they are paid for and beyond. When I came here I was driving over 30,000 miles per year. I was looking for a way to extend my OCI and do it for the same amount of money that I was currently paying. At that time, I was a firm believer in the 3k/3month OCI, but I had read quite a bit about Amsoil and msparks was on another forum that I frequented. After looking around here, I was soon hooked. My vehicle currently has 140k miles. If I hadn't change jobs and reloacated I would have well over 170k miles by now. Yes, I could've done this with cheap oil and fram filters, but not at 10k mile or more OCI's. Currently, I am at the other extreme, traveling about 6k miles per year. I now practice yearly OCI's.
IMHO, with your history, you would never have to perform an oil change. Chances are you would still never see oil related engine failure, btu I can't say the same for the next owner of the vehicle.
Now, I will tell you how my membership here came to be.
Unlike you, I drive my vehicles until they are paid for and beyond. When I came here I was driving over 30,000 miles per year. I was looking for a way to extend my OCI and do it for the same amount of money that I was currently paying. At that time, I was a firm believer in the 3k/3month OCI, but I had read quite a bit about Amsoil and msparks was on another forum that I frequented. After looking around here, I was soon hooked. My vehicle currently has 140k miles. If I hadn't change jobs and reloacated I would have well over 170k miles by now. Yes, I could've done this with cheap oil and fram filters, but not at 10k mile or more OCI's. Currently, I am at the other extreme, traveling about 6k miles per year. I now practice yearly OCI's.
IMHO, with your history, you would never have to perform an oil change. Chances are you would still never see oil related engine failure, btu I can't say the same for the next owner of the vehicle.
Agree also Boxcar. I have owned many cars as well. I'm almost 52 and have owned 30+ cars. I had three Volkswagens before I had my license. I guess it is just a hobby. I joined the forum because of info from Ralph Wood and his bypass filter. I purchased a 2003 Tundra and want to give it to my Grandson when he starts to drive in eight more years. I'm happy with the two vehicles we have now and have stopped buying as many as I used to. This is a great forum and I enjoy the tips and great info that is available for free. Hope you enjoy your reading.
That's generally true, but there are exceptions. For example, the thousands of 1.8T engine owners in the US which may have prevented sludging up their engines if they used one type of oil and not the other. Of course car manufacturer is to blame here, but if a person came to BITOG and listened to some of the advice, he may have saved himself some neusance.
I too have owned many cars and my goal is to keep them running for 300,000 miles AND do it as cheaply as possible. I buy Wal-mart SuperTech oil (now supplied by Exxon/Mobil here in Rhode Island) for less than a buck a quart and Supertech oil filters for just over 2 bucks--my entire oil change costs under $7 and my OCI's are strictly 3,000 miles---this is the cheapest way to go--sure you can go 3 times as long using synthetics and expensive filters but it's going to cost more than 3 times as much in most cases. And 3k OCI's using SM oils are going to result in engines that outlast the rest of the car every time. (and I enjoy getting under the hood and changing my oil so the more frequent changes aren't a downside for me)
I find the forums useful just for educating myself about the different public opinions of the oils out there. I happen to work in the oil business like many of you, but at a desk all day long. So, I find it very interesting to hear the various opinions, and also what appeals to the hardcore oil user, and what turns him off. Let's face it though, this forum isn't representative of Joe Blow on the street. Most folks don't give a thought about their oil outside of going to the jiffy lube every three months.
Well from an environmental view point, if people were to go with high quality synthetic and extended oil changes, there would be a lot less used oil to contend with. They would save money over conventional oil changes also. And the engine would run better and last longer.
According to some Calif. statistics, there is a whole lot more oil purchased than recycled or disposed of properly, so obviously a lot gets dumped with the trash.
According to some Calif. statistics, there is a whole lot more oil purchased than recycled or disposed of properly, so obviously a lot gets dumped with the trash.
That's a separate issue--if people aren't disposing of used oil in a responsible way that's what should be addressed, not a blanket recommendation for the use of synthetics including those of use who recognize our responsibility to dispose of used oil properly.
Like others have said I can't beleive how much I've learned in the last few months. I purchased a 2004 Chrysler Concorde last year and was surfing the net one day and found out about the sludge issues with this car. One of the sites mentioned BITOG so I checked it out and was hooked. Still got the car cause I got it at a really good price(big surprise) and will have to keep it awhile but it has Mobil 1 5-30 and a Pure One filter on it as of 3 days ago. Hopefully the great info and people on here can help me keep this thing alive for awhile.
agreed, we're mixing issues (again...) but it does seem a bit hypocritical for those who are so "concerned" about oil supplies to be advocating extended OCI and synthetics while driving around the battleship SUVs and v8 bubbabuggies.....
I change my 100% dino very 4-5k and drive about 20k per year. That's 4-5 changes per year. 5 changes at each 5 qts = 6.25g/year. By moving to a pure synthetic and 10k intervals, I save a whopping 3.1g/year of crude.
You'll save the world a lot more crude oil by just using less fuel.
Assuming a 1:1 ratio for motor oil and gasoline from a barrel of oil (it isn't but let's just say it for the simplistic math it allows), 20mpg /20k miles/yer = 1000g/yr.
A car that gets 25mpg will use 800 g/yr, or 200 gallons less.
That's 65 times the amount that would be saved by switching to synthetic. Assuming a 100% synthetic, not all are of course.
Let's not be quart-wise and gallon-foolish here.
I used to run rotella for years....then I start to read the noria boards and now this one.
So I look back now and I must be more confused then ever. I've stopped using rotella and got into M1, then the hype of all this green elf stuff and I scoop a whole whack of that stuff up. Now I just bought another 6 pack of m1 "get 6 for the price of 5." WHAT THE HECK FOR?????
When am I going to use all the stocked oil I have now? I dunno...
All I gotta say is these forums got me to dish out $$$ for oil than I ever did before and a few of my friends shake their head at me.
"joe, where are you going now????"
"just hold on honey, I gotta go check their oil shelf out"
...something wrong in Denmark.
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So I look back now and I must be more confused then ever. I've stopped using rotella and got into M1, then the hype of all this green elf stuff and I scoop a whole whack of that stuff up. Now I just bought another 6 pack of m1 "get 6 for the price of 5." WHAT THE HECK FOR?????
When am I going to use all the stocked oil I have now? I dunno...
All I gotta say is these forums got me to dish out $$$ for oil than I ever did before and a few of my friends shake their head at me.
"joe, where are you going now????"
"just hold on honey, I gotta go check their oil shelf out"
...something wrong in Denmark.
BRAVO!
i love this forum because i learn a lot about what oils are good and what is actually in them that makes the better than other oils. i work at advance auto and have to deal with people who want to run 20w50 in a motor that has 20k miles on...just because they think thicker oil protects better. ive spent a ton of money on oil and im probably gonna spend some more tomorrow when i go into work because weve still got redline in the store and its on clearance. oh well...gotta spend money on something, might as well be on something that is gonna help my car out
I hope nobody thought I was running this forum down.Quite the contrary.I've learned a lot from you people.As far as having that many vehicles over the years,I've had a problem not being satisfied and loving to trade.A lot of my vehicles were bought used or traded for and most of them got paid for before I traded.That has all changed since I've retired and the gas prices going out of sight.
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