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Believable.
If any of the deputies that I work with were caught doing this, they better be ready for the unemployment line. All our Deputy's and road Sergeants have dash cams.
Obviously this is big news here, but I guess the biggest news is that absolutely no one is surprised. A buddy of mine who is a DA in a neighboring area said told me that the inside joke is that the Seattle PD is known as "LA North". They've been doing stuff like this for years, but on a much worse scale:
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/christopher_harris_still_unabl.php
I think we need a police department to protect us from the police around here...
Keep in mind, neither of the people getting beaten up above were actually doing anything wrong--you should see what happens to people actually committing crimes!
This is the Seattle PD on a good day!
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Originally Posted By: Deltona_Dave
If any of the deputies that I work with were caught doing this, they better be ready for the unemployment line. All our Deputy's and road Sergeants have dash cams.
Shameful.
Problem is that our society has become so degenerate that many people have no sense of shame at all. It is rife with sociopaths.
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It's a mess alright. The cops are frustrated that the liberal justice system has turned into a joke and inexcusably treat their jobs and the people as a joke. Sick of real perps being allowed to walk. Idiots had to know they were being recorded.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's a mess alright. The cops are frustrated that the liberal justice system has turned into a joke and inexcusably treat their jobs and the people as a joke. Sick of real perps being allowed to walk. Idiots had to know they were being recorded.
Could be worse, some police in CT practice racing skills on city streets...
http://www.stationstops.com/2009/11/18/m...-killing-teens/
However, this is usual way of CT law enforcement....
1. Play lots of TV ads showing police enforcement of speeding, dui, seat belt....
2. For lower crime cities or state police: Have the police spend their day only doing speed traps or traffic patrol. Ignore any calls for crime such as kidnapping in progress.
(Hint to kidnapper/murderers/Komisarjevsky: do not not speed away from the crime scene)
Strictly enforce the un-written 9mph over posted speed limit policy whenever there are fewer than three cars on road.
3. For high crime cities (Bridgeport, New Haven...) : Stay in police station. For crimes such as car stolen, take report over phone. For crimes such as robbery at gunpoint, do not bother to make a report if victim is not injured. Always wait long enough for crime in progress to finish before leaving police station.
Lots of bad people out there, some of them make their living in law enforcement. Sad but true.
Originally Posted By: JOD
Obviously this is big news here, but I guess the biggest news is that absolutely no one is surprised. A buddy of mine who is a DA in a neighboring area said told me that the inside joke is that the Seattle PD is known as "LA North". They've been doing stuff like this for years, but on a much worse scale:
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/01/christopher_harris_still_unabl.php
I think we need a police department to protect us from the police around here...
Keep in mind, neither of the people getting beaten up above were actually doing anything wrong--you should see what happens to people actually committing crimes!
This is the Seattle PD on a good day!
By no means am I making an excuse for the police, and what they did is 100% wrong. However it seems law enforcement officers in big cities tend to become callous to this sort of indecent. It is because of this, continuing education should include sensitivity training. Medics and firefighters are trained from day one to be compassionate. Police officers are trained from day one to be firm, and that kindness can be viewed as a weakness.
Most if not all police I know have a mentality of "Do as we say, not as we do". My best friend became a State trooper in PA and the stuff and his idealogy after becoming a trooper got so bad, that we hardly speak. Alot of police have the mentality that they are keepers, and we are all animals. Although they deal with alot of the scum, they do have to realize that they also deal with the public and are public servants. I think its hard for alot of them to accept that title. Shows like COPS doesnt help matters and the worse thing in the world was to give them a Bad boy image. A free society should be appalled that our police have matching firepower with the military, yet law biding people can not.
When I was a kid, we had a Federal Cop as a neighbour. He took me for a ride in his souped up car (that I later owned), and while driving through town, said "watch this".
Ran a blatantly red light, in front of a cycle copper...flashing lights, drew alongside, and my neighbour pulled out his badge, held it to his window, the bike copper turned lights off, waved, and powered away.
Guess he was trying to impress a 15 y.o...it didn't, just reinforced what I thought.
The more I live, the more that I believe that anyone who wants to be a cop (or a politician for that matter) should NEVER be given the opportunity without the highest level of scrutiny as to their mental state. Most want it for the wrong reasons in my experience.
And issuing them their latest "paramilitary" uniforms, sends the sociopaths exactly the wrong message.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
The more I live, the more that I believe that anyone who wants to be a cop (or a politician for that matter) should NEVER be given the opportunity without the highest level of scrutiny as to their mental state. Most want it for the wrong reasons in my experience.
And issuing them their latest "paramilitary" uniforms, sends the sociopaths exactly the wrong message.
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Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's a mess alright. The cops are frustrated that the liberal justice system has turned into a joke and inexcusably treat their jobs and the people as a joke. Sick of real perps being allowed to walk. Idiots had to know they were being recorded.
Recidivism is high because most prisons don't have enough programs or good enough programs to prepare an inmate to lead a productive life.
The other bigger factor is the public. The majority of employers do not want to hire an ex-con. How many of you on this forum would hire an ex-con when you could probably hire someone who has not been in trouble instead?
I have worked as a Correctional Officer in a prison for over 20 years and the majority of the people I see in here never finished high school, don't have any education, and many of them have never held a job for very long.
The majority of them are incarcerated for drug offenses which for the ones that sold it, made way more money than they could ever make at a legit job.
These days, most drug offenses carry very steep penalties as far as how much time is given out. I've seen a lot of guys get more time for a drug offense than for others who are incarcerated for violent crimes. I work in the Federal system and the inmates have to do roughly 80% of their sentence and that is if they keep most of their good time allowance.
I think state systems are a little more lenient on how much time an inmate actually has to do.
As far as cops go, I have friends who are cops but many more that I have come into contact with have the "us against them" mentality. That everyone is a potential criminal unless proven otherwise. I think the longer a person is in the criminal justice field, the easier it is to get jaded and have a dim view of people in general. I have also seen it in the prison setting over the years. When you deal with the less desirable people of the world on an everyday basis, it can alter your view of people in general.
The bottom line is that there is bad people in every profession, cops included.
Wayne
I can read just fine--and seems to me that you're placing the blame on the "liberal justice system" that has beaten down these poor cops--rather than where it belongs: on these idiot cops. Why else even bring it up in this thread?
Bad guys commit crimes. This isn't really a surprise. But we live in a nation ruled by law, and we don't incarcerate people for life based on one violent offense. WA implemented the nation's first 3-strikes law for lifetime incarceration, and it's still one of the nation's toughest. And let's face it, there are practically no "random" murders in Seattle, the few murders that happen here are either drug/gang-related or domestic disputes. There is not a wave of recidivist killing and disaffected cops here.
Yep, we can certainly agree on that one! The most ridiculous part of this whole thing that people out of area probably don't realize is that there was an absolute onslaught, bordering on hysteria, of city officials begging a pleading for people to walk, jog, ride their bikes, stay home from work (seriously) during this period, as they closed a major bridge/throughway. You'd have to have been living under a rock not to hear all of the clamoring about it, which puts these idiotic comments from the cops in an even worse light.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Now as for you defending a system where 80+ % of the crime in this area is committed by released criminals - recidivism is real and it's not because we don't give criminals opportunities. Tell your stuff to the families of dead murder victims from guys who spent 4 years for violent crimes.....
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Hey these cops were wrong and stupid. Let's agree on that!!
Originally Posted By: wtd
These days, most drug offenses carry very steep penalties as far as how much time is given out. I've seen a lot of guys get more time for a drug offense than for others who are incarcerated for violent crimes...
The bottom line is that there is bad people in every profession, cops included.
Wayne
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They shouldn't have made those comments, thats correct. But i love how people watch TV and think they "KNOW" everything. I've been a Corrections Officer for 6 years. People think that because of the uniform or the training that Officers of all levels of law enforcement recieve we are supposed to be super-human. Yes, I am professional and respectful to start with, but if you disrespect me, my tone will change with you. I am no longer going to be respectful. I am going to be professional but blunt and direct. You might think that makes me an [censored] but I dont care who you are or how much you are trained if someone is yelling and cussing at you, you are going to respond to that. Respect goes both ways. And yes you are a tax payer, BUT you are not my boss. So be respectful and you will get the same from me.
There are some bad apples out there wearing a badge there is no doubt like in this video. But lace up my boots for a few days and deal with the [censored] I have to deal with and then make a real informed opinion. Otherwise you have no right to tell me what I "should" have done in a situation, because you don't know what your talking about.
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