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I have followed the "Do I change the break in oil early" in reference to the 2004 Accord with interest since I have one. This is from Honda's site: Why should I wait to change the oil the first time? Your Honda engine was delivered with an oil that is specially formulated for new engines that have not yet developed their "natural" wear patterns and may contain minute particles from the manufacturing process. American Honda strongly recommends this special oil be left in the engine long enough for these wear patterns to develop, usually until the first maintenance interval specified in your Owner's Manual, based on your specific driving conditions. ACCORDing (sorry, couldn't resist) to the local dealer, that interval is 7500 miles. Seems lenghty to me.
 
Go 5000 at least, to be safe. Imo, the 7500 is only for ppl doing a lot of highway driving. If your driving consists of a lot of short trips, then I say go to 5000 miles then drain it out. I just changed out my moms 03 accord yesterday(5078 miles) to m1 0w20, and will run it another 5000 miles before changing again.
 
Is it a mineral or syntetic oil? I was led to believe that you have to run mineral for 5,000 miles or so to allow the rings to bed in. Then I read somewhere else that they are using synthetic as a factory fill. I am confused. [Confused] Dave
 
Honda recommends the first oil change on their motorcycles at 600 miles. They also what you to re-torque all critical fasteners at that point. Food for thought
 
Total BS! Get that oil out of there. What oil has "special qualities" to help establish wear patterns? What could those "qualities" be? ZDDP? Moly? Lack of both, either? What. I think the statement is more driven by ecology and economics than science.
 
I certainly won't go the recommended 7500 miles before the oil is changed but there must be some method to their madness. All my instincts tell me to change it at or before 1000 miles but their message is clear,"Don't do it!". I would think that 3000 miles would allow all items to wear in and seat properly so I'll meet them halfway.
 
The local VW dealers in my area have been saying the same thing to customers. Absolute rubbish. Someone did a oil analysis on some oil from a brand new car and there was no evidence that there was anything 'special' with the oil. It is all about EPA and vehicles NOT requiring too many service visits etc,etc.
 
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Originally posted by cousincletus: I would think you should change it early at no more than 1000 mi. to get all the glittery stuff out. [Cheers!]
I agree completly. I want that break-in oil out of there quickly. I changed mine in my new CRV at 1300 miles even though my manuel says 7500 which I believe is CRAZY. I really don't think Honda has our best interest at heart here but rather they are trying to push the lower maintence issue as a selling point....
 
When I asked Volvo Corporate about the break-in mileage on my new motor they told me 5,000 miles. The two Volvo techs I asked with over twenty years in each at Volvo both told me to change out at 1,000 miles and again at 2,500.
 
Look at the Honda factory fill UOA's you will notice they all have a lot of moly at least 300-400 PPM . I left mine in for 5K then switched to Pennzoil 5W20 then I did a UOA at 15K and had excellent wear #'s so I can say leaving it in certainly hasn't hurt my engine. The honda dealer oil is not the same as the factory oil and I don't know where you can buy the factory oil if you can buy it at all.
 
"Look at the Honda factory fill UOA's you will notice they all have a lot of moly at least 300-400 PPM . I left mine in for 5K then switched to Pennzoil 5W20 then I did a UOA at 15K and had excellent wear #'s so I can say leaving it in certainly hasn't hurt my engine. The honda dealer oil is not the same as the factory oil and I don't know where you can buy the factory oil if you can buy it at all". Those are the facts I needed to back up Honda's statement to leave the oil in. Thank you
 
Toyota too uses Moly in their break-in oil. My UOA here. But they have no warning about early oil change. First (& every) recommended scheduled oil change at 15,000km/12months on any SJ, SL oil. [Eek!]
 
When I bought my Audi A4 in '96, the dealer told me to leave the oil in for 7500 miles. I said I'd pay for the OC, because I was afraid they were being cheap. He still said he wouldn't want to do it. At the same time, he had no problem with me wanting to switch from G-11 to G-12 coolant. I contacted someone in Germany who knows an Audi master tech personally. He too told me to leave the oil in. And so I did...
 
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Originally posted by Nosmo King: The local VW dealers in my area have been saying the same thing to customers. Absolute rubbish.
I left the oil in my 1995 Jetta for 7500 miles when new based on the dealer's recommendation. Over 243,000 miles later, the engine still runs good. So, I would say you certainly won't hurt anything to leave the factory oil in, and you just might do some harm by draining it early. Times and technology change, what was true 20 years ago may be different now.
 
Ok guys, we need a volunteer. Go test drive a new Honda for the weekend. Take it home, change the oil and grab a sample for analysis. [Wink] Then just take the car back and tell the dealer you've had second thoughts. Do we have any takers? [Cheers!]
 
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