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Anyone else not getting the warm and fuzzy feeling from these agreements? Why in the world should we trust them make sure products are safe when they've already shown they're unwilling to do so?

China Agrees to Stepped-Up Food, Drug Inspections

"We cannot inspect our way to product safety,” Leavitt said in remarks to the National Press Club in Washington.

Leavitt signed two agreements with the Chinese government last week that puts the onus on the Chinese and their manufacturers rather than the beleaguered inspectors of the dozen U.S. agencies responsible for imported goods.


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/12/food_safety_leavitt.html

What happens when it's just business as usual for them? Do we put them on double secret probation? Things like this make me feel I've fallen down the rabit hole...

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The benefits of outsourcing become more obvious each day.

Now apply this to our country's defense and it really makes sense.

Dan
 
Well, China, as with any nation, has its corruption. I can't imagine the resources needed to make legit corruption trump the illegal corruption. I mean, look how hard it was for our government to route out organized crime in this nation
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They have the advantage of more draconian remedies than we have to making sure that the government "gets its cut" of all proceeds. They may have more success at weeding it out than the Russians did.

The main thing that will influence their conviction on improving this, is if something valued is in peril. We pretty much know what our shepherds do when we think that we're being harmed. They tell us something to make us feel better ...and continue to do as they please ..regardless of the effects. Their agenda is pretty much longer range and is expected to have some "rough edges" in the implementation. For example, we SCREAMED when Japan was raiding us. It caused all kinds of reshuffling that really hurt. So, we threw a party (the shop 'til you drop thing) on economic stimulus (cuts w/o reductions in spending) and enough didn't suffer until the transition was complete. They knew what the ultimate outcome would be ..but just had to keep the natives at peace ..or enough of them happy anyway, to weather through the carnage.

So, plan on going forward with "the plan" regardless of the consequences that will show themselves in the interim. Unfortunately, with a country as big as China ..that interim can be a very long time. Japan was a piece of cake in comparison.
 
Originally Posted By: Wu Yi
"American news media has exaggerated the issue of food safety, causing serious damage to China’s national image.”


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"Leavitt signed two agreements with the Chinese government last week that puts the onus on the Chinese and their manufacturers rather than the beleaguered inspectors of the dozen U.S. agencies responsible for imported goods."

It's not the Chinese or US government inspectors who are responsible, it's the &*^%#(()*&^%$$# companies selling the products who are responsible, and also the consumers who buy bad products a second time. Come on people, make the managers and stockholders of the companies who sell the crummy products responsible for their greed, as that is all that it is. Companies that set up good manufacturing sites, provide training, expectations, and require basic quality control can set up shop anywhere and deliver good products, China included.

Of the many companies affected by the recent pet food how many of them detected the problem with basic quality control before consumers were affected ? Wasn't it none ? Write them, tell them you'll never buy their products again, and find a company that cares about their product beyond making as much money as they can before the current CEO moves on.
 
Glad someone caught that one Pablo. I got a dark laugh out of it too...
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Gary, there are huge cultural differences between the Chinese and Japanese. The Japanese "raided" us with cheap radios that became Honda 750's in a few short years. From cheap and mediocre products to greats ones in roughly a decade. But they could do it. They'd been a real and advanced industrial power for about 100 years.

Not so with the Chinese. They're a completely different people with a completely different background. And they have a much different mindset.

This agreement is part of what amounts to throwing them the car keys and telling them to drive whatever they want. We won't complain, we're just along for the ride. It's my opinion that if the trip seems rocky now, we're *really* not going to like the destination...
 
Originally Posted By: Dan4510
The benefits of outsourcing become more obvious each day.

Now apply this to our country's defense and it really makes sense.

Dan


Canada does this...
 
Originally Posted By: sprintman
Buy local, buy seasonal and none of this matters


Foodwise fine. But even in our boycott China house you should see the [censored] that comes in here.

Youngest daughter got a soft plastic frog filled with sparkley bubble bath soap juice. She refused to use it. Says her: "The frog itself is probably infused with lead, and the juice, who knows what's in that"
 
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Gary, there are huge cultural differences between the Chinese and Japanese.


Agreed.

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The Japanese "raided" us with cheap radios that became Honda 750's in a few short years. From cheap and mediocre products to greats ones in roughly a decade.


That wasn't raiding. The basic deal has been to have some nation of lower development take on your antiquated technologies and give them a hard currency to buy your expensive and profitable technologies. Textiles moved to every 3rd world country simply because there's no ROI here in the USA. It was a highly competitive market with very little ROI. So all the pre-WWII designed needle boards and whatnot took a hike. We gave the Japanese the transistor in 196-something ..and in a few short years we couldn't afford to produce them ourselves. [censored](anese) Junk was a relatively short term thing.

When they "raided" us was during the Reagan Administration. The single highest transfer of wealth between two nations occurred at that time. They used every lobbying technique ...and outgunned every challenge to their unfair trade practices with shear budget. The companies that they were driving out of business just didn't have a big enough war chest. Our leaders helped them do this ...and gave us catchy slogans.

I'm in no way comparing the Japanese to the Chinese in any cultural sense.

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This agreement is part of what amounts to throwing them the car keys and telling them to drive whatever they want. We won't complain, we're just along for the ride. It's my opinion that if the trip seems rocky now, we're *really* not going to like the destination...


Same thing that we did when the Japanese raided us. "You CAN STICK IT RIGHT HERE IF YOUR WANT. WE WON'T STOP YOU!!" was all we got from Ronnie's cronies. ..and stick it they did. At least we got high quality goods for our slips of green paper.

The Japanese really helped us as a nation. They really showed how the world was really enslaved to us. Have a recession in the USA ..you're going to feel it across the entire globe. If we can't buy Guest jeans ...some 3rd world nation is going to be struggling to buy stuff without US$$. Work hard my good little mice ..momma loves you.

No, we're not going to like the destination. It can't be anywhere good, let alone better. Yet we just can't get anyone with any power to bother thinking about that. They've got some agenda that they're not letting on about.


One "in the beltway savvy" friend of mine (he's geopolitically very savvy too - "he who controls the spice controls the universe!!") suggested that we basically conceded certain sectors to the Japanese to keep them out of the arms business. Imagine what they could produce if they had that as a premier manufacturing goal!?!
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Sorta like the opium/poppy farmers in Afghanistan. "If you're offering me as good a living ... I'll give it up. If not
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We provided them with a gainful purpose. A peaceful one that kept our teeth the sharpest.

I haven't quite nailed down what the end game is with China. Sure it's somewhat wise to attempt to pacify them in this manner, but it's also going to enable an even more sophisticated threat. I guess the interdependency aspect of it kinda trumps a few things ..but it will still focus more power there.

I don't think that the planet is read to bow to Beijing after being used to bowing to Wall St. for decades. I would expect them to be even more brutal masters.
 
Ok, I'm with you now Gary. One thing I think we can be sure of. The Chinese are not building cheap junk for us *instead* of arms. In fact, they're using our money and technology to do exactly that at a much accelerated pace.

Given they've not any real threats in the region and they have a surplus of young males in their society, it doesn't seem like a like a recipe for long term peace...
 
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