Originally Posted By: UncleDave
Originally Posted By: DoubleWasp
You can't have it both ways. Either Tesla is bleeding cash in creating the infrastructure, or he's paying for it by selling cars. It's not both at the same time.
But it's definitely not the latter, because one cannot accurately figure the cost of a lifetime of power usage to be able to bundle it into the price tag. If it were hh
You're comparing the thief with his bread in his jacket to the thief with his bread outside of the store. The only reason you can't call Elon Musk a thief is because he hasn't exited the store yet.
He definitely has the bread in his jacket as evidenced by the saccharin lies he keeps spreading to keep the cash running into his Madoff-like enterprise.
You can't have it both ways - Trillions sent away with no ROI vs. billions to build factories and infrastructure here.
Which is the better long term spend for the US economy and industry ?
In that nearly all project of this scale are subsidized which countries to you want to enrichen ? Ours or someone elses?
Creating infrastructure is more than just the charging network, remember the battery gigafactory in the desert? infrastructure spend continues.
Focusing on the few cars that have "free charging " which gets offset by solar is a mcguffin.
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Are you understanding that there is literally no logical way nor any science fiction way to drop oil because of the aviation, marine, construction, stationary engine, rail, long haul trucking, mining, logging, heating, and other industries?
Are you not understanding that 5 seconds after we abandon petroleum, the production of every car, gas or electric, screeches to a halt? Round here, if you order a Tesla, a Ford pickup truck shows up to deliver it.
MacGuffin my Duff.
The reason there is not trillions being poured into battery electric vs. petroleum is because it's not a proven technology, and it's not a total package problem solver.
That's why there's no similar investment. The money is not there, the solution is not there, and the money cannot be redirected.
Problem is that people forget where petroleum got its start: Keeping people from freezing to death. When petroleum was starting out, there was no car, no airplane, and Boats were fueled by coal or wind. That initial investment was solely to give people heat and light.
The alternative was to travel thousands of miles to harpoon a friggin whale.
Once the Wright Brothers proved their concept of flight, the rest was firmly set in stone. There is a reason so many early cars were powered by engines built by the aviation companies.
Petroleum was a "no reasonable alternative" aka "do or die" situation. Battery/electric? Not even close.
Musk could probably do a lot better getting investment in infrastructure, except he has zero interest in doing anything that is not purely proprietary, benefitting only himself.
I don't care what was done in the past. If he wants to go lone wolf, let him figure it out himself.
And that free charging gets offset by solar when Hades freezes over. Which is exactly why Musk has already talked about pulling the plug on free charging. There's a supercharger station nearby, and it works off of a huge transformer with FPL's logo slapped right on it. Solar indeed.