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If you haven't watched the Audi e-tron assembly video, it's quite good.
Tesla stock suffers biggest-ever drop
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If you haven't watched the Audi e-tron assembly video, it's quite good.
Yup
JD power is a marketing company few take seriously. Its pay to play.
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If we are going to talk about analyst’s take on TSLA well I just posted the consensus from Marketwatch, published yesterday. Got to go the consensus not cherry pick a glowing remark from one analyst more than a year ago. Also have to look at today’s sentiment, which is what I published. Current thinking based on among other things slipping market share in the EU.
As for the quality issue, Tesla has dropped to 16th place in brand reliability for 2021
As for the quality issue, Tesla has dropped to 16th place in brand reliability for 2021
Tesla is #1 in customer satisfaction. Perhaps the most important statistic.
We will just have to wait and see what happens to Tesla as a company and their stock ownership. But so far, all the naysayers have been flat out wrong. Real wrong. I am holding my TSLA, even though cashing in would allow me to pay lotsa income tax.
Curious... What do they mean by reliability?
Personally, I consider reliability to mean it runs well for most of the time.
I don't believe Teslas break down very often.
When I read these reports that ding Tesla for reliability, they mention body panel alignment and paint issues.
I would call those quality control issues...
If these cars are so bad, why do their owners love them so much?
Our 2018 Lexus RX450h had numerous recalls for little things; the Tesla Model 3 has had zero.
Again, do you know what this statistic means?
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Yeah … remember the old gas guzzler lists. Year after year they killed the Hummer H3 by being on that list. It got the same MPG as an F150 and 4Runner back then and sold a tiny fraction of units … but the others were not on the list
PimTac, do you know of any reports showing poor Tesla reliability based on your (and my) definition?
I have not seen any.
Asking for a friend...
I was talking about the definition of reliability. Most of the time could mean anything. 75% of the time? 90% of the time?
To me, reliability means a vehicle that starts and runs every time and doesn’t go into the shop except for normal maintenance. That is, by definition, all of the time.
We already have an EV yaris sized car, chevy bolt, and it doesnt sell well. 20k units with 5 digit discounts from GM. People are just paying more for a tesla or going gas.
Nissan leaf sells poorly. Cheap electrics in the usa so far have not gained traction.
M3 was offered for a time at 35k and tax credits brought it even lower. That counts for 30k range. They improved the car and upped the price slightly.
Yes, I understood you point. And basically agree, with the caveat there is no such car.
My questions was, given this is a post about Teslas and reliability rankings are mentioned, do you know of any Tesla reliability reports?
Reliability based on your (or my) definition.
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Seems it’s not your model and media buzz is problems with Model Y
TSLA $682 Down 8%
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Fit and paint yes, also was leaks into the interior and sunroof coming off …
There are a few articles about the Y … I don’t think there is much said with powertrain issues.
”Reliability “ ? Not found on road dead ? Yeah, how is it defined.
For example the popular new Kia SUV had engine overheat problems … definitely a reliability issue to me … but what bucket these agencies put things in is beyond me …
Tesla's stock price drop apparently is due to the news of an approximately 10 day shutdown of the Model Y assembly line due to the well publicized chip shortage. Which also affects many manufacturers, and not just of cars.
Being an investor in TSLA is not for the faint of heart. It has been, and will likely continue to be very volatile. At $682 it might be a good time to buy 10 shares and pat yourself on the back when it hits $1200 in a few months.
It is a good stock to hold for someone who is in it for the long haul. Not so good for day traders.
As a side note, "reliability" as used in the various surveys has not really been defined. Teslas are not known for having serious issues that prevent them from being driven, are safety concerns, or mean that they spend a lot of time in the shop which is a PITA for an owner.
Yes, there have been complaints about fit and paint. Not unexpected considering the push to get as many out the door as possible to meet consumer demand. I have confidence that those issues will be past history soon.
JHZR2
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Will be interesting to see what happens with Lucid, especially now with their new investment and the CCIV merger. Granted, a car that starts at $69k isn’t what moves volume...
I consider reliability that everything you paid for keeps running well.
