There are even steeper grades on other state and local highways, but the issue here is the U.S. Interstate system. For example, there are much steeper grades on California's trans-sierra roads and one that I traveled in Utah (Highway 143) which was greater than 13%.
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I mean, they've had stuff break before:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/lower-control-arm-failure.172590/
@Cujet with that attitude you should have come to Silicon Valley. You would be a perfect match for the opportunity here. I tell perspective job seekers to come here if they wanna work; if they really wanna do something.
Don't come for the money; don't come for the weather. It's not for everybody, but come for the opportunity if you really want it. I can show you many of us. My boss sold cigarettes to GIs on the streets of Vietnam; her family sent her here and she lived with a foster family. She's drop dead gorgeous; she's a tough lady. She retired in her middle 50's and lives in Atherton. I would guess she is worth a minumum of $50M; probably much more.
It needs carbon ceramic rotors to dissipate the heat.
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I love my ICE machines, but the future is coming.
It is my belief that 50, 60, 70 years in the future when electric has been around for awhile, our ancestors will look back at an ICE and will wonder what the heck we were thinking given its mechanical complexity. Reciprocating mass will be looked back on in wonderment. A modern overhead cam cylinder head with variable valve timing will be seen as an engineering marvel - far too complex for public usage. Our ancestors will have a hard time believing we mass produced stuff like this - and everyone had one - and they lasted 200K or 300K miles!
The irony.
Scott
It is my belief that 50, 60, 70 years in the future when electric has been around for awhile, our ancestors will look back at an ICE and will wonder what the heck we were thinking given its mechanical complexity. Reciprocating mass will be looked back on in wonderment. A modern overhead cam cylinder head with variable valve timing will be seen as an engineering marvel - far too complex for public usage. Our ancestors will have a hard time believing we mass produced stuff like this - and everyone had one - and they lasted 200K or 300K miles!
The irony.
Scott
Keep in mind Tesla routinely changes parts or manufacturing for no reason at all, well in the name of "progress." For instance my dads boss' sister had a 2015 model s. She hit debris on the highway. The bumper was damaged, unfortunately the 2015 bumper mounting was unique to the 2015 model. The insurance company totaled it as the were zero replacements available. The 2016 Model S has a completely different bumper bolt mount.
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So many sleep in the trucks and shower at truck stops - charge while sleeping stations ?
Guess a hybrid could do that self contained …
Guess a hybrid could do that self contained …
That means they are only 4 years behind Daimler and Electric Island? Not sure if Electric Island has fully working megawatt chargers, I know they tested them there.
I saw a SEMI yesterday as we drove home near the Fremont plant. Hauling a boatload of Teslas.
I'm not sure how not. None of them will be long haul any time soon and with the cost and amount of diesel required to move goods in stop and go traffic, many companies may decide it is the solution for them. Time will tell.
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How do you know that is not all the utility company could/would bring to that site?
Oh, I get it, TDS, "Tesla Derangement Syndrome". Everything is Tesla's fault.
First guess - Pepsi will not have the truck on or before 12/01.
Second guess - the claimed performance will turn out to me “overly optimistic”.
And I kinda like Tesla now that the agenda to force us into EVs has met with reality.
Second guess - the claimed performance will turn out to me “overly optimistic”.
And I kinda like Tesla now that the agenda to force us into EVs has met with reality.
If your lucky 15 years because Tesla Semi's cost up to 200% or more for every EV Semi you can get up to 2 diesels or close to it. So even if you buy 2 Telsa semi's you can for sure get 3 diesels.
Also you are not really saving much in fuel costs. This is the part that is unanswered IF, IF these things were more than a boutique product and operating nationwide anything above the wholesale cost of recharging will put it on par with the cost of diesel fuel. They are assuming Semi's will be recharged at wholesale electric rate of 10cent kWr. That is not going to happen nationwide, I think.
Diesel can travel up to 1000 miles without refueling. Electrict is 350 to 500 miles whoever you want to believe.
In addition they can't carry as much of a load as diesel and will have to have lighter weight cargo.
"Lower Total Cost of Ownership: Electricity is less expensive than diesel fuel, producing large savings over long distances, and electricity rates are relatively stable, providing predictability for fleet operators. A simpler electric drivetrain also reduces maintenance costs. Regenerative braking extends brake life and increases range. A 2021 study from the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab estimated that an electric semi-truck with a 375-mile range would have a 13% lower total cost of ownership ($1.51 per mile) than a diesel model ($1.73 per mile). This leads to a net savings of $200,000 over the semi-truck’s 15-year lifetime."
https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fa...e-trucking-industry-electric-semi-trucks-2023
Im not saying that everything is bad about EV Semi's however they are not as capable as an all around Semi in up to 50% of transportation needs and I think its hard getting a fair evaluation from industry sources because just like they all jumped on the EV car bandwagon, well same with the semi. However we are talking about a difference of 20 cents per mile in operating costs if the EV Semi's are recharged at 10 cents kWh and they are presuming because diesel trucks life at 15 years that the EV Semi's will last 15 years.
Indisputable for the so call "cost savings" a SEMI EV has to be able to recharge at 10 cent kWh (cough - cough)
Indisputable it can not carry the same weight loads as a semi so is a more specialized truck and that it ok
As far as reliability and practicality ... just like personal vehicle EVs only 10 more years and real world data will prove that or not.
Im unsure if our government is giving HUGE tax breaks to buy the semi ev anymore.
Ok, and to me, here is the big one and here is a truth you have to really dig for. If batteries in these semi's fail below 70% of capacity in 2 to 3 years it wouldn't be covered in a semi that travels 50,000 to 100,000 miles a year. Yet we do not see that as part of the cost either. Tesla warranty is 8 years OR 150,000 miles. 150,000 miles can be as little as 2 years.
This is why it's so hard to find all the truths and facts in the media about EVs in general. Some of these publications are so biased and jaded you have to piece together factual dats from all different sources to get to the truth.
So here is a truth you have to really dig for. The batteries in these semi's can fail below 70% in 2 to 3 years and it wouldn't be covered in a semi that travels 50,000 to 100,000 miles a year. Yet we do not see that as part of the cost either. Tesla warranty is 8 years OR 150,000 miles.
Ps Im not against EV anything but give the facts to the public. Tesla has a horrible reputation for not being forthcoming.
@gman2304 I made some corrections and added the last paragraph
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Do you really want to get into the list of Tesla’s broken promises?
Your theory is they planned this site for years and years and chose a site where they couldn’t get the power? And total power WAY less than most any modern charging site for passenger cars? 750kW total is nothing.
You can just watch this site tour video on it. It uses old V3 cabinets to power it and the old Tesla semi connector (not modern MCS). That’s why it can’t exceed 750kW. The bank of Alpitronic HYC400s next to it will easily output >750kW simultaneously.
And they would simply make this a Megapack site if the grid connection was an issue, to get whatever output they wanted.
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A day cab diesel can easily do a 500 mile round trip, have the drivers at home after every trip, be DOT compliant, carry more cargo/weight, ( a day cab weighs substantially less than an EV or Pimped Out condo bunk Peterbilt ) for half the co$t of the EV truck.
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