Tallahassee 's finest

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Mar 20, 2014
Messages
677
Location
USA
Video only shows the arrest though. Doesn't show what the real perp (woman) did before the video. People just need to realize why police do what they do; they do it to gain control of a situation before it becomes out of hand. A 62 year old is just as capable of killing or hurting police as a 20 year old.
 

stockrex

Thread starter
Joined
Jan 8, 2006
Messages
2,804
Location
Michigan
look at 2:35 true, a 62 year old woman walking away from you with her back turned towards you can appear threatening or even deadly to some.
 
Joined
Mar 20, 2014
Messages
677
Location
USA
Failure to follow a lawful order. If the officer has reason to stop her, and she refuses to stop, that's a crime. People at day why not tackle her or spray her but out of those 2 and a taser, the taser is the least painful by far.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 20, 2014
Messages
677
Location
USA
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
 

JOD

Joined
Sep 10, 2009
Messages
3,577
Location
PNW/WA
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Failure to follow a lawful order. If the officer has reason to stop her, and she refuses to stop, that's a crime. People at day why not tackle her or spray her but out of those 2 and a taser, the taser is the least painful by far.
huh? she was told to back off. She was walking away and then shot in the back. Sorry, but you obviously have zero ability to be objective if you don't see this as a bad move.
 

JOD

Joined
Sep 10, 2009
Messages
3,577
Location
PNW/WA
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Failure to follow a lawful order. If the officer has reason to stop her, and she refuses to stop, that's a crime. People at day why not tackle her or spray her but out of those 2 and a taser, the taser is the least painful by far.
So, we shoot people because of what they might do? Good lord... As far as the safety of taser, you do realize that hundreds of people have been killed by tasers, right? The guy over-reacted, you can make all the excuses and justifications you want, but that' the bottom line.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2008
Messages
5,337
Location
Southeast Texas
Originally Posted By: stockrex
look at 2:35 true, a 62 year old woman walking away from you with her back turned towards you can appear threatening or even deadly to some.
I guess you missed her violently slapping away the cops arm just before that, right? The goons filming it even laughed momentarily about it. Personally I am FED UP with the goons and thugs walking the street. Old, young, male, female, whatever. If she would have heeded verbal commands, it would not have happened. If you go looking for a fight with the cops, you will probably find it. Trash.
 
Joined
Dec 30, 2006
Messages
27,849
Location
Dallas,Tx USA
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
I guess you missed her violently slapping away the cops arm just before that, right? The goons filming it even laughed momentarily about it. Personally I am FED UP with the goons and thugs walking the street. Old, young, male, female, whatever. If she would have heeded verbal commands, it would not have happened. If you go looking for a fight with the cops, you will probably find it. Trash.
I agree 200%. Keep up the great work policemen and women,and rid this world of as much trash as possible.
 
Joined
Oct 10, 2008
Messages
19,708
Location
Sunny Florida
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
No problem here, that officer would not get any grief from me. Slapping an LEO's arm is enough to warrant some force, what they did was actually rather lenient and humane IMO. She easily could have fished a handgun out of her belly folds and started shooting as she turned around. Takin' out the trash...
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 18, 2008
Messages
6,638
Location
South Florida
I didnt see her slapping his arm away in the video. If she did, then she (now) knows better than to slap a police officer. At around 2:32, the officer approaches the lady, says something to her (can't tell what is said) and he goes to grab her arm as if to place her under arrest. Lady then becomes non complaint at that time, forcefully pulls away from the officer, turn her back and then begins walking away. We don't know what happened prior to the camera footage and we don't know what he was placing the lady under arrest for. But based on what I saw in the footage, it appears an officer goes to grab a lady's arm, she actively resist arrest, and then gets tasered for her trouble. In the police use of force matrix down here (meaning all of Florida. I was a deputy for 10 years down here), the lady would be offering whats called "active resistance" and it would be 100% justified in tasering her. Active resistance is when one braces or tenses ones arms to prevent handcuffing, pulling away from an officer, walking/running away from and officer, etc. People have to realize that police use of force doesn't look pretty. It often looks way worse than it is. What I believe happened is this. The lady was running her mouth and generally ticking off the police. They decided they had enough of it and decided to charge her with obstruction. Once the officer made up his mind that he was arresting her, he moved in for the arrest. She offered some resistance, and he popped her with his taser at the first opportunity. Was it justified? Yes. Did it look bad? Yes. Should he have used more verbal commands and use the available backup officer to place her into custody? Probably. By the way, put yourself in the officers shoes. During the earlier parts of my career, I neglected to use a taser when I was justified to and I was stabbed with a needle and had to undergo two years of HIV/Hepatitis testing, which placed considerable strain on me and my marriage. Luckily, I didn't catch any diseases. About a year later, I again neglected to use a taser when justified and decided to go hands on with a robbery suspect. It turned into a violent knockout dragout style fight and I was fighting for my life. The suspect busted my taser in half in the middle of the fight and he also busted my knee up. I have permanent knee damage and will have to see a knee specialist about every 5 years for the rest of my life. Later in my career, every time I was 100% justified in tasering a person, they got tasered immediately, up front, to take the fight out of them. I wasn't risking getting stabbed again or getting my knee busted up again. Sure I could have went with other methods, but the taser simply works most of the time and is proven to reduce injuries to officers and arrestees.
 
Joined
Aug 24, 2011
Messages
2,622
Location
CenTX
...I just love that we now live in a world where the police are the bad guys now and civilians cant do no wrong. Its now akin to kids getting bad grades MUST be the teachers fault.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2012
Messages
6,023
Location
Florida
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
More police are killed by vehicles than guns and knives. Were you worried she may have had an SUV in her waistband?
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2008
Messages
5,337
Location
Southeast Texas
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
More police are killed by vehicles than guns and knives. Were you worried she may have had an SUV in her waistband?
Why would you even THINK that? What point are you trying to make?
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2012
Messages
6,023
Location
Florida
Originally Posted By: stockrex
look at 2:35 true, a 62 year old woman walking away from you with her back turned towards you can appear threatening or even deadly to some.
You musta missed the thread where the cop asked the guy to get his ID and then shot him for getting his ID.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2012
Messages
6,023
Location
Florida
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
More police are killed by vehicles than guns and knives. Were you worried she may have had an SUV in her waistband?
Why would you even THINK that? What point are you trying to make?
Police are paranoid?
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2012
Messages
6,023
Location
Florida
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
The one where he abruptly dove back into his car?
Yes, to get the bazooka.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2008
Messages
5,337
Location
Southeast Texas
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: lawman1909
Especially now-a-days, she very well could've had a weapon in her front waistband and turned her back to retrieve it. Police never know so in many cases, it is very easy to justify the force used to stop a non-compliant suspect.
More police are killed by vehicles than guns and knives. Were you worried she may have had an SUV in her waistband?
Why would you even THINK that? What point are you trying to make?
Police are paranoid?
Try strolling through the projects.
 
Joined
Sep 1, 2008
Messages
5,337
Location
Southeast Texas
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: gfh77665
The one where he abruptly dove back into his car?
Yes, to get the bazooka.
Well OK, you purposely want to be stupid ridiculous. BTW a stub nosed .22 smaller than the palm of your hand can and has killed.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top