Ok so we have known or a long time about droping ZDDP and general aditive levels for years now since SL was replaced. SO what took so long to get these guys to actualy have a product made and put it on the market? SInce they had break in lube supplements and assembly lubes why the packaged oil so late into the game? I mean their are a bunch of products now. I just got Muscle Car Review and anymore you can not open them or Mopar mag with out seing Brad Penn Break-In Oil,Z-Alt ZDDP+Molly Enahanced Muslce Car oil, Joe Gibs various Racing and Muslce Car Oils, Comp Cam Break-In oil, ROyal Purple Break-In oil etc........
I mean really when did Royal Purple decide that it's oils where so weak that they needed an oil specificly for the break-in of older car's? Why is Comp Cams assembly lube and Oil Break-In additive not enough when added to your exhisting oil?
I really do not have a prolem with a high ZDDP and Molly enhanced oil I just think it is insulting to ones intellegince to have multiple companies with multiple products that do the same thing. On top of that none of these last time I checked where any better inthe additive department then good old Redline 5W30.........We see some of these companies useing blends some just dino oil and some are full out synthetics yet they all claim their is the best!!!LOL
Out of all of them the only ones that ae remotely creadable are Joe Gibs Racing and Hot Rod Oil I mean really COmp Cams keeps Triboloists and Engineers on staff now? They really maintain a full on R&D section just dealing with oil and how it's additive chemistry could be tweaked to provide better break-in then their assembly lube and oil break-in supplement to be added to your oil that has been around since the late 1980's?????
None of them say much of anything but toss around buzz words like ZDDP and Molly and Propitary......I guess the word "Propiatary" must sound impressive to some people like some nit wit small company is going to have anything that Ornite couldnot think up or Lubrizol etc.....
I even say one mention that it had detergents in it!!! WOW
Z-Alt in the add anyways only listed 20W50 what are you going to use that in????I mean GM outside of it's performance parts catalogs has always poopoo'ed 20W50. THeir is a nice article in one of the older performance parts catalogs from GM on how to shim your stock oil pump to put out higher pressure prior to bypassing and why 20W50 was a good choice for the ZZ crate motors etc but that is another story......Who is going to run a 20W50 dino oil just because it has ZDDP and MOlly on the label in a car??? I mean what if you want to actualy start the thing in themiddle of winter? TO add insult to injury the can has a pull tab.....That makes me think South AMerica,Africa or some other third world source where that can style is still in use in both quart and 1/2 quart sizes.
I especialy like how they call them break-in oil what I cannot use it after break-in? WHat if I want an oil for the car as a daily driver?
One of these products I amnot sure if it is one of the above had the nerve to say "Not Street LEgal" like ZDDP and MOlly are some how illegal to use on a street driven vechiles....I can here the the knuckle draggers rattling their sabersnow "That is nothing man my oil isnot even legal for the street man!".....
They make it sound like they have some top secret propriatary additive chemistry added their super secret oil base stocks they they themselfs have developed to solve the plight of early camshaft wear from improper additives levels dureing break-in!
Who buys this dribble? This is not rocket science or even a tough thing to do. I mean Walmart's prefer WPP bottler could double their treat rate for their additive package in a 10W30 and call it Break-In oil or Hot Rod Oil etc.......
Out of the above if someone not already running a true synthetic with more then SM/GF-4 additive levels or a diesel oil Joe Gibs Hot ROd oil does have some unique things in it that few other's have. It is useing a compound that the Army Use's as well in it's oils so tha the oil is more resistant to varnishing in storage ie more oxidation resistant. Other then when MolaKule was blending his own oils I do not know of anyone that really has paid much atention to storage issues with reguard to their oil formulatons and additive packages. Mola used to have a hot rod additive that not only prevented varnishing during storage but also went further then anyone else to prevent rusting of the metal parts while in storage after the oil has ran off the parts. If I recall properly it had to do with some chemical that when you ran it produced a vapor that would seekout the metal and protect it from rusting after you shut it down.
Their are companies like Redline that have been making additives that beefed up your own oil with chemistry simalar to their that are far more concentrated and affordable then anything else I have seen on the market. If you are going to mail order an oil you can get their stuff like their 5W30 for $9.95 a quart with $9 bulk rate shipping reguardless of how much you buy 1 quart of 100 case's if you order fromt he right people!
Does this make anyone else mad to see all these people comeing to the game a day late and dollar short then useing slick creepy marketing to try to take advantage of people? If not for me I am sure my Dad would probably fall for this stuff!
I mean really when did Royal Purple decide that it's oils where so weak that they needed an oil specificly for the break-in of older car's? Why is Comp Cams assembly lube and Oil Break-In additive not enough when added to your exhisting oil?
I really do not have a prolem with a high ZDDP and Molly enhanced oil I just think it is insulting to ones intellegince to have multiple companies with multiple products that do the same thing. On top of that none of these last time I checked where any better inthe additive department then good old Redline 5W30.........We see some of these companies useing blends some just dino oil and some are full out synthetics yet they all claim their is the best!!!LOL
Out of all of them the only ones that ae remotely creadable are Joe Gibs Racing and Hot Rod Oil I mean really COmp Cams keeps Triboloists and Engineers on staff now? They really maintain a full on R&D section just dealing with oil and how it's additive chemistry could be tweaked to provide better break-in then their assembly lube and oil break-in supplement to be added to your oil that has been around since the late 1980's?????
None of them say much of anything but toss around buzz words like ZDDP and Molly and Propitary......I guess the word "Propiatary" must sound impressive to some people like some nit wit small company is going to have anything that Ornite couldnot think up or Lubrizol etc.....
I even say one mention that it had detergents in it!!! WOW
Z-Alt in the add anyways only listed 20W50 what are you going to use that in????I mean GM outside of it's performance parts catalogs has always poopoo'ed 20W50. THeir is a nice article in one of the older performance parts catalogs from GM on how to shim your stock oil pump to put out higher pressure prior to bypassing and why 20W50 was a good choice for the ZZ crate motors etc but that is another story......Who is going to run a 20W50 dino oil just because it has ZDDP and MOlly on the label in a car??? I mean what if you want to actualy start the thing in themiddle of winter? TO add insult to injury the can has a pull tab.....That makes me think South AMerica,Africa or some other third world source where that can style is still in use in both quart and 1/2 quart sizes.
I especialy like how they call them break-in oil what I cannot use it after break-in? WHat if I want an oil for the car as a daily driver?
One of these products I amnot sure if it is one of the above had the nerve to say "Not Street LEgal" like ZDDP and MOlly are some how illegal to use on a street driven vechiles....I can here the the knuckle draggers rattling their sabersnow "That is nothing man my oil isnot even legal for the street man!".....
They make it sound like they have some top secret propriatary additive chemistry added their super secret oil base stocks they they themselfs have developed to solve the plight of early camshaft wear from improper additives levels dureing break-in!
Who buys this dribble? This is not rocket science or even a tough thing to do. I mean Walmart's prefer WPP bottler could double their treat rate for their additive package in a 10W30 and call it Break-In oil or Hot Rod Oil etc.......
Out of the above if someone not already running a true synthetic with more then SM/GF-4 additive levels or a diesel oil Joe Gibs Hot ROd oil does have some unique things in it that few other's have. It is useing a compound that the Army Use's as well in it's oils so tha the oil is more resistant to varnishing in storage ie more oxidation resistant. Other then when MolaKule was blending his own oils I do not know of anyone that really has paid much atention to storage issues with reguard to their oil formulatons and additive packages. Mola used to have a hot rod additive that not only prevented varnishing during storage but also went further then anyone else to prevent rusting of the metal parts while in storage after the oil has ran off the parts. If I recall properly it had to do with some chemical that when you ran it produced a vapor that would seekout the metal and protect it from rusting after you shut it down.
Their are companies like Redline that have been making additives that beefed up your own oil with chemistry simalar to their that are far more concentrated and affordable then anything else I have seen on the market. If you are going to mail order an oil you can get their stuff like their 5W30 for $9.95 a quart with $9 bulk rate shipping reguardless of how much you buy 1 quart of 100 case's if you order fromt he right people!
Does this make anyone else mad to see all these people comeing to the game a day late and dollar short then useing slick creepy marketing to try to take advantage of people? If not for me I am sure my Dad would probably fall for this stuff!
