Synpower 0W-40

[fdcg27]

Don't know if this has been mentioned here yet.
If it has, I'd ask the mods to delete this thread as redundant.
Saw this oil at Meijer today. I hadn't noticed it before. The front label had yellow type indicating that it met a variety of BMW, MB, VAG and Porsche requirements. Did not check the back label since aside from BMW LL-98 and LL-01 I'm clueless as to what specs to look for.
An alternative to M1 and Edge 0W-40.
This store also had the new Everyday Protection syn product, which had Dexos logos in the several grades available, indicating that it must be a decent oil.

 

[Red91]

I've only ever seen 5W-40 Synpower, at Wal Mart.

 

[Merkava_4]

If it shows up at Walmart, I'll buy it.

 

[volodymyr]

Could it be the one made in the EU? It has the following specs:

(taken from http://www.valvolineeurope.com/english/products/engine_oils/synpower/cid(7535)/synpower_0w-40)

BMW LL-01
MB-Approval 229.5
Porsche A40
Renault RN0700/0710
VW 50200/50500

In general it seems like oils produced & sold in Europe (Ashland Netherlands) under Valvoline brand are quite different from those which are sold in North America.

The naming is not changed unfortunately. For example, "SynPower 5W-30" sold in the EU is a thick A3/B4, MB 229.5, while "SynPower 5W-30" sold in the US is a thin ILSAC oil with different specs ...

 

[Gene K]

Non-ILSAC Oils made in USA and Canada are listed as:

MST 5W30
MST 5W40
HST 5W40
XL-III 5W30
0W40
20W50

 

[volodymyr]

Gene K,

Originally Posted By: Gene K
None ILSAC Oils made in USA and Canada are listed as:

MST 5W30
MST 5W40
HST 5W40
XL-III 5W30
0W40
20W50


Well, European SynPower 5W-30 has MB 229.5. However "MST 5W-30" has MB 229.51, this is a mid saps oil and cannot be compared to european full saps 5W-30.

 

[Gene K]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Gene K,

Originally Posted By: Gene K
None ILSAC Oils made in USA and Canada are listed as:

MST 5W30
MST 5W40
HST 5W40
XL-III 5W30
0W40
20W50


Well, European SynPower 5W-30 has MB 229.5. However "MST 5W-30" has MB 229.51, this is a mid saps oil and cannot be compared to european full saps 5W-30.


OP was about 0W40. A response was about US 5W30 being a ILSAC (Mid-SAPS btw). I was just pointing out they made other oils.

The only ones I've seen in the wild are XL-III 5W30, HST 5W40, 0W40 and 20W50 (and private brand NAPA 15W50).

 

[fdcg27]

Yeah, I had to think that if the 0W-40 grade of Synpower were on the shelf at a mass-market retailer rather than a specialist source, it would have to be of local production.

 

[BobFout]

I've seen this oil at Meijer too. Synpower 0w40 is full SAPS, whereas the MST 5w40 product is mid SAPS. Quarts and 5L jugs on the shelf too.

Interesting the 0w40 has lower NOACK than the 5w40.

http://content.valvoline.com/pdf/synpower.pdf

 

[neo3]

Originally Posted By: Gene K

The only ones I've seen in the wild are XL-III 5W30, HST 5W40, 0W40 and 20W50 (and private brand NAPA 15W50).


Where have you seen Synpower HST 5W40? I wanted to try it but couldn't find any retailers that listed it.

 

[fdcg27]

Am I missing something, or do these non-ILSAC oils use something other than the sodium add pack Valvoline has been so fond of using?

 

[volodymyr]

fdcg27,

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Am I missing something, or do these non-ILSAC oils use something other than the sodium add pack Valvoline has been so fond of using?


It is hard to tell. However, for me it is strange that Valvoline sells here (in Europe) full saps oils and not in the US where fuel quality is poor.

OTOH, other major brands like Castrol do not sell full saps in Europe in popular viscosities like 5W-40 or 5W-30, the Castrol Edge 5W-30 here is a mid saps with MB 229.51 and Porsche C30 specs.

How come?

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
..in the US where fuel quality is poor.

...


A complete myth...

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfi...ss_octane_than/

 

[volodymyr]

Nickdfresh,

I was speaking about the sulfur level in gasoline sold in the US.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Nickdfresh,

I was speaking about the sulfur level in gasoline sold in the US.


Which means what? Our engines are destroyed?

 

[volodymyr]

Nickdfresh,

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Which means what? Our engines are destroyed?


Well, that is a strange conclusion. Judging from the fact you have more than 4k posts on this forum I am positive you are aware of high sulfur issue in US gas which affects TBN of modern oils causing it's depletion. This causes shorter OCI and as a result an environmental impact because more waste oil is produced. in EU average OCI is actually 2 years/30'000 km these days.

The statement "poor US gas quality" is actually true - you've been lagging for years on this matter (high quantity of sulfur in gas) compared to some other places on the planet and only in 2017 this will be addressed as per latest EPA order.

The above conclusion are not my compulsive thoughts, but rather the statements I read on this forum regarding sulfur, TBN, etc.

 

[Nickdfresh]

Originally Posted By: volodymyr
Nickdfresh,

Originally Posted By: Nickdfresh
Which means what? Our engines are destroyed?


Well, that is a strange conclusion. Judging from the fact you have more than 4k posts on this forum I am positive you are aware of high sulfur issue in US gas which affects TBN of modern oils causing it's depletion. This causes shorter OCI and as a result an environmental impact because more waste oil is produced. in EU average OCI is actually 2 years/30'000 km these days.


You use thicker oils to begin with and near exclusive synthetics whereas the U.S. market is gradually going that way. Sulfur has nothing to do with it~! Secondly, most of the Euro posters here never come near 2 years and 30K km. There is a negligible effect on TBN, and because I have 4,000 posts here I've seen many UOA's that show a healthy TBN left on the vast majority of U.S. cars, even using pedestrian conventional oils. Everything you've stated is theoretical and not based on what is posted here, nor any actual science I'm aware of. And if we're talking about "environmental waste", I could point out how using thicker Euro syn oils degrades fuel economy. The difference is that you pay more for it with taxes and that keeps your consumption and OCI intervals down..

Quote:
The statement "poor US gas quality" is actually true - you've been lagging for years on this matter (high quantity of sulfur in gas) compared to some other places on the planet and only in 2017 this will be addressed as per latest EPA order.

The above conclusion are not my compulsive thoughts, but rather the statements I read on this forum regarding sulfur, TBN, etc.


"Poor quality fuels" is a complete misnomer, and a propagation of internet myths starting with the ignorance of the differences of octane measurements and standards. Poor quality would indicate engine failures and be associated with such. That is simply not the case, and it is a poor choice of words on your part - hyperbole that I sense is a bit tinged with political arrogance...

 

[Nickdfresh]

How would one even compare Euro vs. North American TBN differences? Most Euro oils start out with a higher TBN to begin with.

 

[BTLew81]

Was at Meijer today and saw this oil, as well as the 5w40 mst. Pretty pleased to see this smd will be going back to grab some, as I have never seen mst in 5 qt jugs.

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Yeah, I had to think that if the 0W-40 grade of Synpower were on the shelf at a mass-market retailer rather than a specialist source, it would have to be of local production.

They probably make it in the EU because of the number of cars that use 0w40. In the USA such cars are far less common.

Just think about what Castrol does with 0w40 and 0w30 Euro. They are made in Belgium and Germany.