Switching to HPL Euro 5W-30 10K OCI

[Patrick0525]

I have completed my 90 day 1qt hpl 30ec colonic cleanse using a Toyota oil filter and shell truck/gas 0w-20 oil. Refilling with 6 qts of hpl euro 5w-30 (with vii). Planning to do a 10k oci and 5k filter change. What filter should I use: Toyota or Fram ultra?

I don’t want to waste my Fram ultra now and then again at 5k. Got plenty of Toyota filters.

There is no engine sludge, the pvc has been changed at 100k and there is no oil consumption at 121k mi. This is a 2gr-fe port injection with ocs at every 5K and Fram ultra at 10k.

 

[Speedbird001]

just genuinely curios (I have a 17 Tacoma 3.5 v6, currently doing the HPL ec):
? Why euro oil for a Toyota (I order the Premium PCO for my next change)
? You don't think the OEM Toyota filter cartridges are good enough?

 

[Rand]

Since the ultra holds more dirt I dont think it would be a waste if its catching crud.
Cut open(or inspect if its not a can) current filter and see how dirty it is. Unless its spotless...
The actual full sump of HPL OIL will clean more. So I would likely use the fram for 5k to see how crusty it is.

 

[Patrick0525]

Since the ultra holds more dirt I dont think it would be a waste if its catching crud.
Cut open(or inspect if its not a can) current filter and see how dirty it is. Unless its spotless...
The actual full sump of HPL OIL will clean more. So I would likely use the fram for 5k to see how crusty it is.

It is actually a cartridge.

 

[Patrick0525]

just genuinely curios (I have a 17 Tacoma 3.5 v6, currently doing the HPL ec):
? Why euro oil for a Toyota (I order the Premium PCO for my next change)
? You don't think the OEM Toyota filter cartridges are good enough?

Euro oil: euro certified for extended drain and API SN. Yes, I could went with the premium pco API SP.

OEM Toyota filter are cellulose based and don’t do well between 20-50 microns. I have personal Blackstone Fram Ultra data at 5k,10k, 14k particle count data and the synthetic media really outperform.

The reasoning for conserving the Fram Ultra filters is that in my opinion the varnish / carbon insoluble particles are visually discernible > 50 micron and easily filtered by the Toyota filter. Human hair is around 75 microns in diameter.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

just genuinely curios (I have a 17 Tacoma 3.5 v6, currently doing the HPL ec):
? Why euro oil for a Toyota (I order the Premium PCO for my next change)
? You don't think the OEM Toyota filter cartridges are good enough?

If your engine isn’t an oil burner, the euro add packs not only have higher levels of organometallic additives that can increase protection, they will also generally have longer TBN retention as well. The Euro add pack in my last UOA still had a 7.78 TBN after almost 15k miles in a 3.5 EcoBoost, while running ~30% ethanol, which is seriously impressive these days.

If you hop over and visit the board’s VOA database (@himemsys IIRC?) you’ll see very few of the virgin API SP oils have a TBN of 7.8. A low starting TBN combined with rapid depletion limits the maximum OCI you will ever be able to achieve on any given oil before acid formation & corrosion becomes a concern, sometimes before other more typical condemnation limits have been met.

 

[Jetronic]

just genuinely curios (I have a 17 Tacoma 3.5 v6, currently doing the HPL ec):
? Why euro oil for a Toyota (I order the Premium PCO for my next change)
? You don't think the OEM Toyota filter cartridges are good enough?

Euro oils aren't for euro cars if that's what you're thinking. It's a different oil design philosophy than API oils

OE filters are often high flow but meh filtering: efficiency rated at 40 microns for example.

 

[AKhan87]

I have completed my 90 day 1qt hpl 30ec colonic cleanse using a Toyota oil filter and shell truck/gas 0w-20 oil. Refilling with 6 qts of hpl euro 5w-30 (with vii). Planning to do a 10k oci and 5k filter change. What filter should I use: Toyota or Fram ultra?

I don’t want to waste my Fram ultra now and then again at 5k. Got plenty of Toyota filters.

There is no engine sludge, the pvc has been changed at 100k and there is no oil consumption at 121k mi. This is a 2gr-fe port injection with ocs at every 5K and Fram ultra at 10k.

that engine is ridiculously easy on the oil. You could easily do 10K OCI with any brand of extended-performance motor oils, 10K on HPL would be a joke for that engine.

As far as 5k oil filter changes? I will use the highest efficiency-rated oil filter if you are worried about catching any debris from the HPL oil cleaning.

but if you maintained the car since new on 5k OCI, there is going to be almost nothing to clean, the reason being the engine is easy on oil.

also by 2014, they updated all the intake and exhaust VVTi gears, so there aren't any issues to deal with except the following:

• head gasket leaking externally, not internally
• timing cover leaks, they never got that right, my 2014 Avalon had no timing cover leaks but again I bought that car at 58k and maintained the hell out of it.

 

[Plumb Bob]

that engine is ridiculously easy on the oil. You could easily do 10K OCI with any brand of extended-performance motor oils, 10K on HPL would be a joke for that engine.

And a waste of money and good oil.

 

[ARB1977]

Can you switch between Mobil One ESP and Toyota brand for 5K charges? I’ll be doing 5K and the dealer will do 5K since I purchased the prepaid maintenance crud. This will be till 85K.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

Yes, certainly can.

 

[Big_B]

And a waste of money and good oil.

No a waste of money is going to Star Bucks every day.

 

[twX]

OEM Toyota filter are cellulose based and don’t do well between 20-50 microns. I have personal Blackstone Fram Ultra data at 5k,10k, 14k particle count data and the synthetic media really outperform.

I looked up the old post of yours showing a particle count at 5k miles (ISO 23/17/12). How did it do on the next two particle counts? Have you done any particle counts with the newer style Ultra with the synthetic blend media?

 

[Patrick0525]

I looked at my maintenance log book. Some of the uoa were not done at Blackstone.

(F) is filter and oil
(O) is oil only


61544(F), 65788(O),70501(F),76120(O),81096(F),86124(O),
90845(F),96173(O),101127(O),104836(F)

Between 90845 and 104836 there was one oil filter change or 13991 mi.

Particle count tests were done at 101127 and 104836. Or at the 10k and 14k mi.
No particle count was done at 96173 since this is 5K and would have looked similar to 86124’s particle count test.

 

[Patrick0525]

I looked up the old post of yours showing a particle count at 5k miles (ISO 23/17/12). How did it do on the next two particle counts? Have you done any particle counts with the newer style Ultra with the synthetic blend media?

I have not done pc on ultra synthetic blend filters. All my ultras are old-school synthetic.

 

[dubber09]

Look at Euro oils as oils made for much more demanding applications with more strict standards for wear, longer OCIs, better cleaning to boot.

 

[dbeau]

If your engine isn’t an oil burner, the euro add packs not only have higher levels of organometallic additives that can increase protection, they will also generally have longer TBN retention as well. The Euro add pack in my last UOA still had a 7.78 TBN after almost 15k miles in a 3.5 EcoBoost, while running ~30% ethanol, which is seriously impressive these days.

If you hop over and visit the board’s VOA database (@himemsys IIRC?) you’ll see very few of the virgin API SP oils have a TBN of 7.8. A low starting TBN combined with rapid depletion limits the maximum OCI you will ever be able to achieve on any given oil before acid formation & corrosion becomes a concern, sometimes before other more typical condemnation limits have been met.

And what if your engine is an oil burner? Bad for the cats maybe? Thanks

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

And what if your engine is an oil burner? Bad for the cats maybe? Thanks

Yes, it would hasten their demise somewhat, but IMO the engine is a lost cause anyways if it’s burning enough oil to kill the cats noticeably faster on euro vs. api limits. Time for new rings at a minimum…

 

[SaberOne]

No a waste of money is going to Star Bucks every day.

No more Starbucks… That’s precisely how I was able to justify the cost of HPL.

 

[Patman]

No a waste of money is going to Star Bucks every day.

I know I’m guilty of going off topic but at least Starbucks isn’t as big of a waste of money as smoking cigarettes But in reality there are a lot of things that people spend money wastefully on that are a lot more expensive than what we spend on oil in a year.

I avoid Starbucks, I get my iced coffee fix with $1 drinks at McDonald’s