Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
And yes, conventional oils do more than get by. They're great for lawnmowers! Which reminds me...I need to fill the mower with the leftover M1 in the bottles hanging around my garage...
So with facts you can not win the conversion so you go to the lawnmower route...
I'm impressed. And you use
Mobil 1! Great plug there.
Glad to see that you are not
biased with your mindset and what is it with people that use Mobil 1?
You guys prove my point so well thank you.
Don't let
facts get in the way here!
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: KC_admin
Actually no its not about the money but more just the uniformity of using the same oil (and filter as well it seems) across the three vehicles and the perception from my viewpoint that conventional oil does just as well without causing leaks. I own three cars as follows:
Understandable. There is such a thing as bulk packaging, by the way. And if you're worried about synthetics "causing leaks" with as new as your vehicles are, you're probably a little off base. No oils
should cause leaks, properly maintained. Some are just more susceptible than others.
Oops... The guy
PROPERTY maintained his vehicle from
NEW with Syn oil and has the problem.
Amazing how you know it all. Been here a little longer then you so I've heard quite a bit more.
Seen what this guy HAS experienced more than a FEW TIMES.
Maybe you could
LEARN something instead of spewing the marketing points?
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: KC_admin
What we are talking about is switching a motor to purely conventional oil after being run for 150,000 miles on M1 Synthetic. My impression after seeing what the oil did to a rubber oil tube on the car that it has made the rear main seal "gummy" and that conventional oil might restore it to a more usable shape and seal it more effectivly.
In all honestly, I don't know that I have ever heard of proper maintenance with a synthetic resulting in leaks. If conventional were to "fix" the leak it would be by gunking it up, but it still doesn't resolve the issue; it simply hides it. Thicker oil could do it as well, but I wouldn't if I didn't have to go that route.
Spend some time
READING PAST threads here and
LEARN something.
Get out of your head a few things;
1. Conventional = GUNK.
2. Thicker oil will stop a leak.
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Sounds like a vehicle problem, not oil.
Do whatever works best for you, though.
Of course, syn oil could never do anything wrong. Let's see a "properly" maintained engine from day one (since he used syn from the start) and things go wrong.
That "small" extra cost over the years sure saved him from any problems.
Originally Posted By: KC_admin
Quote:
In all honestly, I don't know that I have ever heard of proper maintenance with a synthetic resulting in leaks. If conventional were to "fix" the leak it would be by gunking it up, but it still doesn't resolve the issue; it simply hides it. Thicker oil could do it as well, but I wouldn't if I didn't have to go that route.
I find nothing "magical" about synthetic oil after using it for over ten years and have no intention of using it in my new vehicle. I will get back to you in 8 years and/or 150,000 miles and let you know how it did without it.
I have one vehicle that is nearing 200K miles without the "benefits" of synthetic oil.
Wonder how you did that? I thought that if you really cared for your vehicle and wanted it to last using syn is the "smart" and safe way..
I remember a post with;
Quote:
"unless you drive conservatively and put few miles on the vehicles. Otherwise I don't see the advantages of switching to dino.
in it.
200k a few miles? What were the "advantages" that he missed using conventional oil for the 200k?
Originally Posted By: BeanCounter
Originally Posted By: KC_admin
As for fixing a leak I consider a leak "fixed" when it doesn't leak anymore, "hidden" or otherwise.
If you don't care how a leak stops and/or the repercussions, just start pouring stuff in:
http://www.acehardwaresuperstore.com/cd2-heavy-duty-sealer-engine-oil-stop-leak-p-65335.html?ref=42
Wow! Great advise...
He is using something that you suggest and once you find out your advice is flawed then you go to the snake oil route.
Good job!
Originally Posted By: KC_admin
My impression of additives is that they are snake oil as I have used many on my 2000 Altima and the rear main has always leaked no matter what. It is a minor leak that I have lived with for over 6 years. I have never used additives in my 2002 and most likely never will.
Ok I've proved my point with Mr. Accountant (who comes up with the "numbers" so well without really getting any data from who he his is discussing the facts with..)
You are correct.
DO NOT throw garbage into the sump.
Do we know if you ran conventional oil all the time in this engine that is leaking you would have
NOT had leaks?
NO. But we do know that you would have made it here with the engine running the same and saved a lot of $$ that did you no good.
Trust me.
You can go back to your original question asked and that answer is YES you CAN go back a non-syn oil and it will NOT harm your engine at all.
That is a talking point that the koolaid drinkers and oil company marketing wizards spew to keep you using their product.
Take care, Bill
