Steve Morris Engines SM oil

[Spitty]

Has anybody seen his video on this?
He makes incredible claims ;-)

 

[ctechbob]

It isn't going to be an oil that anyone here uses. It is for drag and drive cars running methanol that have to deal with lots of water in the oil and the ensuing corrosion problem it presents. Some of the people running his powerplants have problems with valve spring corrosion when they don't maintain their engines after events like they need to be. He wanted something designed to help prevent that. Breaking a valve spring at 8000+ RPM and 4000+ HP is a recipe for bad things. Just ask Tom Bailey.

Ohh, and they're making stupid levels of power, and I mean that in a good way. 4500hp from 530 cubic inches or thereabouts.

In essence it is a high weight race oil with a big load of corrosion inhibitors. Nothing anyone would run that isn't running a methanol engine on a regular basis.

 

[#18FAN]

Yes I’ve seen the video it’s almost unwatchable it’s that bad absolutely knows nothing about oil I can’t believe he put something out like this.

 

[altaylar]

It isn't going to be an oil that anyone here uses. It is for drag and drive cars running methanol that have to deal with lots of water in the oil and the ensuing corrosion problem it presents. Some of the people running his powerplants have problems with valve spring corrosion when they don't maintain their engines after events like they need to be. He wanted something designed to help prevent that. Breaking a valve spring at 8000+ RPM and 4000+ HP is a recipe for bad things. Just ask Tom Bailey.

Ohh, and they're making stupid levels of power, and I mean that in a good way. 4500hp from 530 cubic inches or thereabouts.

In essence it is a high weight race oil with a big load of corrosion inhibitors. Nothing anyone would run that isn't running a methanol engine on a regular basis.

I am starting to feel like 2/3 of the comments are trash. And then there are some members like you who know their stuff, and actually share sensible information. I agree with you on those, it seems like a really good oil FOR A SPECIFIC APPLICATION that most of us will never see. A regular off the shelf Mobil 1 will protect my engine better

 

[Z28racecar]

To me, the SMoil just looks like a higher viscosity version of GP1. Plenty of high horsepower engines are already using that oil with great results.

 

[ctechbob]

To me, the SMoil just looks like a higher viscosity version of GP1. Plenty of high horsepower engines are already using that oil with great results.

He pretty much has said that, but with added corrosion inhibitors to deal with methanol putting water into the oil.

Specific to drag and drive cars where they don't usually do a ton of maintenance between drag runs, so the oil has plenty of time to accumulate water and rust valve springs.

I think he'd also said that up until this oil most of his engines were using the Nitro 70 from Driven, or something like that.

 

[Z28racecar]

He pretty much has said that, but with added corrosion inhibitors to deal with methanol putting water into the oil.

Specific to drag and drive cars where they don't usually do a ton of maintenance between drag runs, so the oil has plenty of time to accumulate water and rust valve springs.

I think he'd also said that up until this oil most of his engines were using the Nitro 70 from Driven, or something like that.

I assumed the GP1 line already had corrosion inhibitors in it, as it was designed for E85 and methanol. Maybe not enough for guys like Steve?

 

[ctechbob]

I assumed the GP1 line already had corrosion inhibitors in it, as it was designed for E85 and methanol. Maybe not enough for guys like Steve?

I think that was the general gist of it. Just because the D&D engines run and then sit overnight, or something along those lines.

I don't think I really fault him for it. With the amount of power those things put down and how hard they get beat on, keeping the variables down to a minimum might cause less headache for him.

 

[AZjeff]

Yes I’ve seen the video it’s almost unwatchable it’s that bad absolutely knows nothing about oil I can’t believe he put something out like this.

He found a problem, talked to Driven about it and they formulated and branded a specialty oil with him for a very specific user group. Obviously he's not an oil nerd, not everyone is. The amazing machine work he does makes up for him not being a tribologist.

 

[Z28racecar]

I think that was the general gist of it. Just because the D&D engines run and then sit overnight, or something along those lines.

I don't think I really fault him for it. With the amount of power those things put down and how hard they get beat on, keeping the variables down to a minimum might cause less headache for him.

I still wonder why heavy hitters like Steve Morris use semi-synthetics instead of a full synthetic like HPL's Bad Ass Racing Oil. It'll definitely live through a drag and drive event, and it has better heat tolerance and shear stability.

 

[ctechbob]

I still wonder why heavy hitters like Steve Morris use semi-synthetics instead of a full synthetic like HPL's Bad Ass Racing Oil. It'll definitely live through a drag and drive event, and it has better heat tolerance and shear stability.

Cost?

Dunno if that would be a factor or not. They're still dumping a ton of oil every change (15 qts?) and doing it fairly often. Plus the engines get torn down relatively often (not NHRA often, but more often than 99% of the engines out there) so maybe wear isn't as huge of a concern if you're honing the cylinders, putting new bearings in it, and replacing the rings.

Seems silly to talk about cost though with what is probably a 6 figure engine.

 

[AZjeff]

They don't know about HPL.