ST series 3k mi ... Ford 3.5L EB gen 2 58k mi

[Navi]

This is my collection of the SuperTech family of oils. Full Synthetic, Advanced and High Mileage. 3000 mile intervals in a Lincoln Navigator with the high output 3.5 Liter V6 Ecoboost Gen 2. Severe service livery in NYC, multiple starts per day, stop and go traffic averaging 25 mph.

All oils are API SP, Dexos1Gen3.

 

[DThrash]

Looks like the Supertech is about as good as any of them.

 

[fantastic]

Reports look good for your ecoboost

 

[Navi]

Looking around on the internet in various places I can say the base stock is the same in all 3. The additive package is a little bit more in the high mileage and advanced versions. Im guessing there is seal conditioners in the HM versions.

As for the results Im seeing slightly better results in the tests for Advanced on the internet. Lets say you ran 2 F150 trucks to 150k with the FS version and Advanced version I dont think you would know the difference You can only see the difference in lab tests and that difference isnt a lot.

The Advanced version is simply FS with a little more additives.

Im using Kirkland brand oil and I understand that to be the same as FS. On sale its $15 per 5 quart jug or $30 per 2 jug box at Costco in the store.

 

[Reloader59]

I'd recommend doing 5k intervals. Then see what the UOA shows

 

[Navi]

I'd recommend doing 5k intervals. Then see what the UOA shows

What happens with the 5k intervals and a standard oil like SuperTech is it comes out as if someone poured water into the engine. When this happens you think something is wrong and turn to a oil lab like BlackStone. Whether it be Blackstone or the dealer everyone is telling you the thinness of the oil is normal and just fine...but never in my life did I pour oil into an engine where it seemed somewhat thick and it comes out as if the engine saw a storm flood. Ive ended up just changing it at 3000 miles for piece of mind. Ive used some HDEOs in the past with other Ecoboosts which worked well, but decided to go with the oil the manufacturer suggests and change earlier. Probably a 5W40 Euro oil would be more appropriate for this engine.

 

[Bill7]

I have 3 Honda Odysseys with the 1st gen VCM system, where the cylinder heads reach extreme high temperatures due to poor design of the PCV valve, valve cover gasket, and VCM. I prefer to only use Dexos 1 Gen 3 oils, since that spec places stricter limits on sludge/varnish deposits. I've been using Super Tech High Mileage Full Synthetic 5W-30 without issue for over 2 years now. Since each van is being driven over 20,000 miles a year due to long commutes by myself and other family members, there is a real cost savings over the next 6+ years by using Super Tech.

 

[kschachn]

What happens with the 5k intervals and a standard oil like SuperTech is it comes out as if someone poured water into the engine. When this happens you think something is wrong and turn to an oil lab like BlackStone. Whether it be Blackstone or the dealer everyone is telling you the thinness of the oil is normal and just fine...but never in my life did I pour oil into an engine where it seemed somewhat thick and it comes out as if the engine saw a storm flood. Ive ended up just changing it at 3000 miles for piece of mind. Ive used some HDEOs in the past with other Ecoboosts which worked well, but decided to go with the oil the manufacturer suggests and change earlier. Probably a 5W40 Euro oil would be more appropriate for this engine.

And the problem with Blackstone is that you have no idea why. You could have significant fuel dilution and their estimation method has been shown to be useless as a determinant.

 

[TiGeo]

What happens with the 5k intervals and a standard oil like SuperTech is it comes out as if someone poured water into the engine. When this happens you think something is wrong and turn to a oil lab like BlackStone. Whether it be Blackstone or the dealer everyone is telling you the thinness of the oil is normal and just fine...but never in my life did I pour oil into an engine where it seemed somewhat thick and it comes out as if the engine saw a storm flood. Ive ended up just changing it at 3000 miles for piece of mind. Ive used some HDEOs in the past with other Ecoboosts which worked well, but decided to go with the oil the manufacturer suggests and change earlier. Probably a 5W40 Euro oil would be more appropriate for this engine.

The UOA is telling you what the viscosity is. I have a hard time with "comes out like water" descriptions when youactually have data to show you exactly what the viscosity is. The only one out of grade was the HM version and not by much, just likely a bit of fuel. Do you have a 5K UOA? I wager it will look just like the 3K w/r to viscosity.

 

[Reloader59]

What happens with the 5k intervals and a standard oil like SuperTech is it comes out as if someone poured water into the engine. When this happens you think something is wrong and turn to a oil lab like BlackStone. Whether it be Blackstone or the dealer everyone is telling you the thinness of the oil is normal and just fine...but never in my life did I pour oil into an engine where it seemed somewhat thick and it comes out as if the engine saw a storm flood. Ive ended up just changing it at 3000 miles for piece of mind. Ive used some HDEOs in the past with other Ecoboosts which worked well, but decided to go with the oil the manufacturer suggests and change earlier. Probably a 5W40 Euro oil would be more appropriate for this engine.

I thought the first sample was the last. Now I see the last one has the thinner oil, below spec. Maybe use a more robust oil and you can go 5k

 

[Nathan]

What happens with the 5k intervals and a standard oil like SuperTech is it comes out as if someone poured water into the engine. When this happens you think something is wrong and turn to a oil lab like BlackStone. Whether it be Blackstone or the dealer everyone is telling you the thinness of the oil is normal and just fine...but never in my life did I pour oil into an engine where it seemed somewhat thick and it comes out as if the engine saw a storm flood. Ive ended up just changing it at 3000 miles for piece of mind. Ive used some HDEOs in the past with other Ecoboosts which worked well, but decided to go with the oil the manufacturer suggests and change earlier. Probably a 5W40 Euro oil would be more appropriate for this engine.

Oil going into the engine is typically not at 100C operating temperature.
No way a modern oil will shear enough for you to discern through pouring, unless it is full of fuel.

 

[Navi]

Honestly the 3 formulas of oil in the report look similar and other reports on the internet make it look like there is no difference. I am guessing its another oil marketing thing where they change the formula a little bit and throw the word "Advanced" on it to sell more oil.

I will send a detailed email with my reports to Warren and ask what are the differences between the oils. They can respond if they like.

As for fuel dilution I dont think the engine has a constant rate of dilution. For example if the engine is running hard I expect more dilution. Some oils I used in the past like Delvac ESP 5W40 seemed better at taking the dilution, but all the various gasoline engine oil on the Walmart shelf.dont take dilution very well.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

The Supertech Advanced 20k is the best of the bunch and the Winner for this vehicle. I've used it in the past and it's held up well.

 

[Rob_Roy]

What does the OLM read at 3k?

 

[Bill7]

The UOA is telling you what the viscosity is. I have a hard time with "comes out like water" descriptions when youactually have data to show you exactly what the viscosity is. The only one out of grade was the HM version and not by much, just likely a bit of fuel. Do you have a 5K UOA? I wager it will look just like the 3K w/r to viscosity.

I use Super Tech HMFS 5W-30 with a 5k OCI in 2006 to 2007 Honda Odyssey EX-L's with VCM enabled, and this VCM engine might be harder on the oil than an Ecoboost (with the J35 VCM engine's extreme engine temperatures on the cylinder heads that cook the oil due to the VCM and a poorly designed PCV value).

I haven't done an oil analysis, but the oil drains out during an oil change at a normal speed and appears normal flowing
so I don't think it thins at all.

You may wish to try it with a 5,000 mile OCI with Super Tech HMFS in the Ecoboost.
Many Ecoboost owners do 10k OCI with Ford Motorcraft Synthetic blend oil, which is 80% conventional oil, so ST HMFS should be able to handle 5k OCI with no issues.