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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml

China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 1:41am BST 09/08/2007



The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

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Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds.

Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US.

"Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added.

He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so.

"China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. Russia, Switzerland, and several other countries have reduced the their dollar holdings.

"China is unlikely to follow suit as long as the yuan's exchange rate is stable against the dollar. The Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars once the yuan appreciated dramatically, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar," he told China Daily.

The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decicions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo".

She said foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable.

Simon Derrick, a currency strategist at the Bank of New York Mellon, said the comments were a message to the US Senate as Capitol Hill prepares legislation for the Autumn session.

"The words are alarming and unambiguous. This carries a clear political threat and could have very serious consequences at a time when the credit markets are already afraid of contagion from the subprime troubles," he said.

A bill drafted by a group of US senators, and backed by the Senate Finance Committee, calls for trade tariffs against Chinese goods as retaliation for alleged currency manipulation.

The yuan has appreciated 9pc against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg but it has failed to halt the rise of China's trade surplus, which reached $26.9bn in June.

Henry Paulson, the US Tresury Secretary, said any such sanctions would undermine American authority and "could trigger a global cycle of protectionist legislation".

Mr Paulson is a China expert from his days as head of Goldman Sachs. He has opted for a softer form of diplomacy, but appeared to win few concession from Beijing on a unscheduled trip to China last week aimed at calming the waters.
 
We are due for another rude "technical correction"
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. Maybe Michael Moore will do another documentary like he did on Flint, MI
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Isn't it great? If we refuse to keep buying toxic food, poisonous toys etc. from China, then they'll destabilize the world markets and economy. Sounds like a hostage-type stand off to me.
 
One must ask who facilitated China getting the upper hand here...two players, both willing participants.

IIRC, there's been many statements along the lines of "suckers, they are addicted to our $. We keep handing over worthless paper, and they keep sending us goods."

The quoted article states that the threat is in response to the threat of trade sanctions against them.

Japan stopped sucking up US debt years ago.
 
Trade sanctions are justified if a product is more expensive in China than the price for which they are exporting it, which is the case for computers, steel products, cellphones...

The value of the currency is totally irrelevant, since markets adjust automatically. It's like going from Imperial to Metric - the drive to work doesnt get any longer if it's 80km vs 50 miles.
 
Hopefully this is just a message to some of our dumba$$ lawmakers. The US and China are better off being partners and solving trade disagreements that way (after all, we are increasingly competing with them for raw materials). Serious confrontations will not be beneficial to either of the side. A large chunk of their exports come to the US, and a large chunk of earnings for the US companies come from sales inside China. Undo that and we go back to where we were 30 years ago.
 
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Undo that and we go back to where we were 30 years ago.




...err...and can you please explain why that would be a bad thing
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Oh..you mean the Dow would be at some smaller figure and the entire earning public wouldn't be dependent upon it for their future subsistence in retirement? We'd have a viable and healthy social security system? Our debt would be so low that we'd ignore it?

Basically we'd be the tree and not just out on the longest limb?

Yep. I can see why that would be something that would make most of us run pall mall in the other direction.

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large chunk of earnings for the US companies come from sales inside China




Err...and, on balance, given the "loser" aspect of trade balance ..just how does this do anything for the US? ..other than those who are direct beneficiaries of those companies?

Or do you mean that when your in a sinking ship, you don't want to get in the way of those scrambling for the life boats?? You can ignore that the ship is sinking if you've got a reserved seat.

Any other way to look at that??
 
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large chunk of earnings for the US companies come from sales inside China




Err...and, on balance, given the "loser" aspect of trade balance ..just how does this do anything for the US? ..other than those who are direct beneficiaries of those companies?

Or do you mean that when your in a sinking ship, you don't want to get in the way of those scrambling for the life boats?? You can ignore that the ship is sinking if you've got a reserved seat.

Any other way to look at that??




The overseas earnings do not get included in the 'trade balance' (aka Current Account)we hear so much - it is in the Financial Account. We have imbalance in importing and exporting goods and services but overall we are not in a bad shape when you look at the balance of payments (current account + capital account + financial account). Here is a detailed look at the foreign account.
 
"We have imbalance in importing and exporting goods and services but overall we are not in a bad shape when you look at the balance of payments (current account + capital account + financial account)."

Are you assuming the so-called "trickle down" theory actually works in practice?

Not berating thee. I'm no economist. But I do see the Census Bureau data indicating the bottom 20-percent has lost economic ground while the next 20-percent has remained level or lost.

A very complicated subject with data/statistics typically skewed the way the presenter wants to back up an opinion.

One irksome thing is how the feds play with cost-of-living algorithms to minimize inflation rates.
 
The topic of the post was not the economic standing of the different segments of the population. The foreign account balance has little to do directly with the wages of the segments you mention. Even if we start having surpluses, believe me, the wages of these groups will change little.
 
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The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decisions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo".




I have a friend who is being held hostage by the economic decisions of Visa and Mastercard!
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we are not in a bad shape when you look at the balance of payments (current account + capital account + financial account).




Is that like the Oz Govt declaring that they are "debt free" with "no nett debt" ?

Turns out they've got a bucket of debt, but hold sufficient assets to cover that debt...i.e. to pay it off they have to sell the country.

Makes my workmate with $850k in mortgages look more sensible than he seems.
 
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