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My vehicles get beat on! I need the best protection and synthetics provide that. They provide me the opportunity to do other things instead of frequent oil changes. Since I keep my vehicles till they die its obvious to me what should be used, synthetics.

The majority is in debt to their ears and trades in vehicles every 3-5 years or they lease. The article caters to the majority, dino, user.

As long as you change your oil its all good!

Daily Drives:
-2003 Toyota Tacoma PreRunner XtraCab, 2.7 Liter , Mobil1 Synthetic SS 5W-30.
ODO 9400 Miles.
-1995 Toyota 4-Runner 3.0 V6, Mobil1 Synthetic SS 10W-30.
ODO 91400 Miles.
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For the guys that still have 1980's cars - GOOD FOR YOU. That really is awesome (personally I don't think I could do it).

I've been using synthetic (Mobil1), but the problem I've got is that inconsistency bothers me to an unreasonable degree. SO, if I've got synthetic oil in the engine I feel like I've got to "overdo it" on all the other maintenance too. So I start freaking out about how long to wait to change the coolant, trans & brake fluid, spark plugs etc. If you start doing all that stuff early too now you're talking about a lot of time and money for an unknown benefit.

I'm thinking now I should just do what the book says, maybe a little extra, and save my cash and time for stuff that breaks down the road. Like my electric window switch that is crapping out (5 year old car
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For the record, I don't think ANY oil would have helped my cousin's car at her retarded OCIs.

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Amazing Audi, yesterday in another post you were advocating only dino oil...why the inconsistency?

Dan

Dan,
If your'e going to join the bandwagon of people who are out to get me, the least you could do is be accurate...
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Is Mobil 1 worth twice or three times the cost of dino oil? Sometimes yes, in a turbo or an exotic that is diffficult to service, mostly no. Depends on the application. Generally, twice-a-year with quality dino is better than once a year Mobil 1, imo.

...note the word "turbo".

Is that all you have to say about *this* post?

When someone who puts as much honest effort into the Board as I do gets this abuse from both administrators and Junior "members", it is really a sad state of affairs.
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*Takes article with a grain of salt*
This coming from a newspaper based in a city that's trying to sell new cars to everyone.

**** , I wish I still had one of my '80s cars (1988 Mustang GT). That thing was a tank.
 
Not sure what I think of this article yet, but I offer a couple of counterpoints:

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Some synthetic oils claim to last as much as 15,000 miles, but "we see no evidence of that," Chrysler's King said. "They have not demonstrated it, so we do not accept it."

While this might be a bit of an overstatement, even 3MPs study seemed to indicate that synthetics need topoffs/filter changes to go 15K. Plus, how many on this board run synthetics even half that long? So given normal Chrysler vehicles without oil life monitors and with small oil sumps, this guy isn't too far off the mark. If you have to make an oil sump bigger to get a longer drain interval with oil that is 4X the price, I'm not sure what you've gained.

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Wow, they write an article about oil without consulting a tribologist, oil company, or engineer. Well they did have an expert on Ford's vehicle-service operation and a Chrysler Group product development specialist, whatever that means.

They did quote a Dr. Harold Schock at Michigan State. I googled him and found that he breaks automotive stuff for a living. Something in his bio about analyzing engine wear using radioisotopes. While he's probably in Daimler-Chrysler's pocket to some degree, if he's on the level I trust his judgement on engine wear at least as much as counting wear particles per million (which we've never correlated to engine life) from a $20 sample sent to Blackstone Labs - known around the world for their brave suggestions that people run Mobil 1 all the way out to 5,000 miles.

Finally, if the manufacturer intervals can get people 150-200,000 miles at minimal cost, then I don't see how Schock is that far out to lunch when he says to 'just follow the book'. For most people that's just fine. I've asked it before, but how many of you would be thrilled about driving a 1988 model economy car / boring sedan right now? Thank goodness they eventually wear out so we can get better technology, safety, and style
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Matt89, good points. There are reasons to increase sump capacity. Just because people will neglect maintenace and to marginally extend drains, doesn't make sense to me.

Oil really does get re-cycled and employs people in the process. I have never seen evidence myself that running oil beyond 10K miles benefits anyone, but fleets, not the average Joe.

I'm still driving an 87 economy truck, though.
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Originally posted by labman:

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
I drive an 1988 Grand Am and I own a 1987 Lesabre. I would hate to have to buy a newer car. I say, thank goodness our cars last so long so we don't have to buy an expensive, boring, new car every few years.

-T
So what does your Grand Am have? I had a 92 GT 4 door with the HO Quad 4 and the Muncy 5 speed. Most fun I have had with anything since my TR-4. It would run away and hide from anything including all the V-8's I have owned. I would still be driving it, but it was nickle diming me to death. [/QB]

It's a 2.5 "Iron Duke" with the Isuzu 5-speed. It's not the fastest thing in the world, but it's plenty fast for a beater/daily driver. Oil changes are under $8. The only parts I've had to buy were a TPS sensor($20), a new flywheel($40), an alternator($75) and a muffler/exhaust($60). Most repairs have been because of Bone-head things done by the previous owner. Total cost for 1-1/2 years and 38,000 miles has been $815, including the price of the car, tires, repairs, and oil changes. A couple months ago a guy backed into me in a parking lot. I ended up with $300 in cash, repair was pratically free.
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For the price of a few car payments I've had a reliable car for 1-1/2 years.

Matt89, what makes you think that you couldn't drive an older car?

-T
 
T-Keith;

I started driving in '89 and I'm pretty soured on most of the cars from that period.

I probably could drive one of these newer cars indefinitely, but it's hard when I see so many cool other cars I'd like to drive.

The best plan for me would be to buy cool 5 yr old cars and keep them for 5 yrs!
 
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T-Keith;

I started driving in '89 and I'm pretty soured on most of the cars from that period.


Maybe this is another topic, but what soured you on them? I find alot today's cars are boring, or impractical.

-T
 
Originally posted by Matt89:
[QB] T-Keith;

I started driving in '89 and I'm pretty soured on most of the cars from that period.

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I started driving in 1967. The most "reliable" car I ever had was an 89 Buick. It's still running for someone else. Probably approaching 260K miles on Castrol dino.
 
Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about all the HM oil marketing hype. I've never used the stuff, but a buddy of mine at work mentioned that on his last oil change on his late 90's passat with v6, he bought the castrol version (I believe he said it was a green bottle) of the HM oil since he was past the magical 75,000 miles threshold. He soon noticed that all the gaskets on the engine were seeping/ leaking oil on a previously dry engine. His OCI prior to this was approx. 5k miles on castrol GTX, I believe he said. Any thoughts as to why this HM oil may have caused the leaks? He soon changed back to regular oil, then a few months later traded the Passat for a new 4runner which he is now running M1 5w30 and very happy with.
 
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