Saab Factory Fill Oil at 14,800 miles!

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03' 9-3 2.0t 175 hp. Bought 7-03, built 4-03. 14,800 miles on the factory oil--none added.

42 iron
9 alluminum
1 chromium
42 iron
11 copper
12 lead
6 tin
0 moly
1 nickel
20 manganese
0 silver
0 titanium
15 potassium
70 boron
46 silicon
16 sodium
3211 calcium
222 magnesium
921 phosphorus
1077 zinc
4 barrium

12/17/03
14,800
SAMPLE DATE
ALUMINUM
ELEMENTS IN PARTS PER MILLION
UNIVERSAL
AVERAGES
UNIT /
LOCATION
AVERAGES
54-61 365
375 0 INSOLUBLES
%0.4
WATER
%0.0
ANTIFREEZE
%0.0
FUEL
%0.5
FLASHPOINT 375
IN ºF
SUS
VISCOSITY 59.3
@ 210 ºF
cST


DAVID: This oil was in use 14,800 miles and has not been changed since the engine was new. Given those conditions, we are not surprised that wear read like it did. The engine is breaking in still, so the metals and silicon should decrease with future oil changes. Potassium and sodium are probably factory leftovers. You might want to do a short-run oil ,3000 miles, to get these abrasive elements out of the block. The TBN read 2.3, showing some ,not a lot, active additive remaining. We'd use fewer miles next oil change. We can't tell you exactly what kind of oil this is.

What do they mean by "short-run oil" and why would I want to do that?

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{soo much easier to comment if info is on the page,mark}

[ December 28, 2003, 05:15 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]
 
Originally posted by CosmicFlash:
[QB]What do they mean by "short-run oil" and why would I want to do that?

more oil changes ? per same miles/time ?
Maybe to get better numbers and cause less wear in the future?
 
Man, your brave. Those numbers are not bad at all for that amount of mileage and the fact that the car is new.
 
Their recommendation is to change your oil more frequently.

There was alot of crap floating around in your oil because you waited a long time to change it.

They're suggesting a short inteval run so you can clean out any excess particles still flying around. (Aka change the oil, run it for 3000 miles, then change it again, then revert to a more standard 5-7k mile interval).

I'm no expert though, I'm just replying cause everyone else is drinking eggnog.
 
quote:

Originally posted by buster:
Man, your brave. Those numbers are not bad at all for that amount of mileage and the fact that the car is new.

This is one of those flexible service interval cars--not many on the road. I believe MB and BMW started it in 2001.
The Saab includes free scheduled maintanence for 3 years/36,000 mi. and won't do ANY service until the computer says so. An oil change will be from 8,000 miles-15,000 miles. The manual says you can go up to 18,000 miles. I should have had it changed around 5,000 I guess to take care of all the junk floating around.
Do you think most came out at this oil change or will there still be debris in there? I am convinced the oil "can" go this far but the junk in it is another question.
 
This does not look bad at all, considering the interval, and the fact that the engine is new. I think this car was factory filled with SAAB 0W-30 oil, and it definitely looks like it can go the distance. It's said to be Elf Evolution SXR 0W-30, VOA here.

I'd cut the oil change interval in half until wear reads normal, then go back to full interval.

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reposting your UOA:

03' SAAB 9-3 2.0t 175 hp. Bought 7-03, built 4-03. 14,800 miles on the factory oil--none added

DAVID: This oil was in use 14,800 miles and has not been changed since the engine was new. Given those conditions, we are not surprised that wear read like it did. The engine is breaking in still, so the metals and silicon should decrease with future oil changes. Potassium and sodium are probably factory leftovers. You might want to do a short-run oil (3000 miles) to get these abrasive elements out of the block. The TBN read 2.3, showing some (not a lot) active additive remaining. We'd use fewer miles next oil change. We can't tell you exactly what kind of oil this is.

12/17/03
14,800 miles

42 iron
9 aluminum
1 chromium
11 copper
12 lead
6 tin
0 moly
1 nickel
20 manganese
0 silver
0 titanium
15 potassium
70 boron
46 silicon
16 sodium
3211 calcium
222 magnesium
921 phosphorus
1077 zinc
4 barium

flashpoint 375F (n > 365)
INSOLUBLES %0.4
WATER %0.0
ANTIFREEZE %0.0
FUEL %0.5
VISCOSITY 59.3 SUS @ 212F (54-61)
 
At less than 5.00 per litre this ACEA A5/B5 oil has just got to be one of the best deals out there in this wt seeing every major city has a Saab dealer . That engine had to be one hot firecracker breaking in through the summer months like that but the oil took the beating well. Subsequent intervals should only get better as the boron looks like it does actually plate to internal parts .

CosmicFlash ,

Thanks for the analysis . It might be reason for many to jump ship and use this oil in non Saab engines .

I do
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I'd say you're past the point of needing a "short run" interval. You've already dumped the junk, so you're good to go for FSS intervals. Stick with the Saab 0W-30 or Mobil 1 0W-40 & you'll have no worries.

Also, if you want the advantage of using the on-board OLM, then Saab requires you to use an oil meeting the GM-LL-A-025 approval. If you decide to run a non-approved oil, then you can't rely on the OLM/FSS & expect Saab to cover any oil-related problems. And with these turbo engines, sludge & coked oil can become a huge problem very quickly.
 
CF, sure no problem! GC? Yeah, why not? But first, test it for a shorter interval (7,500 to 10,000 miles) to make sure it's a good match for your engine.

With its robust TBN, this SAAB syn oil looks like it has more cojones than M1 5W-30... and it's probably the best bang for the buck as far as an ACEA A5/B5 oil goes! Maybe we can get 3MP to test this.

I think I will try this SAAB/Elf Evolution oil in a BMW 330xi...
 
is this oil really that good? my sister works for saab and i can saab lubricants through her for almost free. maybe i shoul start ebaying this stuff?
 
Quadrun1,

Thanks for reposting the results--I'll figure it out one of these days.

In regards to price, the list price is $5.25 per litre. Many dealers will give 10% off list for parts. My dealer said he'd sell it to me for $4.75 per litre--pretty good deal!

Not sure if I'll do a change in 3,000 mi. or so OR leave it in another 15,000 miles.
Perhaps I'll change it and put in GC 0W 30 for comparison
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Anyone want to talk me into that!
 
The SAAB 0W-30 turbo oil is Mobil 1 long life and not Elf Evolution SXR. I contacted SAABUSA about this. I already posted this in the other forum. I think you should stick with this Cosmic. I would go for 10,000 mile intervals.
 
That's the engine oil in this analysis Buster .

My copy of the MSDS shows this 0/30 oil to be a Total-Fina ELF product and I have the gold colored jugs with the pop out pour spout. I wonder if the confusion lays in the fact that Saab has a 10/30 semi-syn that might be a Mobil oil ? It's 10 bucks for 4 litres and I'd like to try it but too many oils , not enough cars . Besides , another 7 bucks buys this oil .

Just a note that I'll do an analysis of this oil in interest after I can get it to look like it has taken some kind of hit . 10 months and 7k miles no consumption and no color change so far . Fuel mileage is up slightly over the previous 10cSt 10/30 synlube .

[ December 28, 2003, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: Motorbike ]
 
MB, can you post the applicable data from the MSDS? Flash point, pour point, viscocity, density, etc.? That would be cool.
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quote:

Originally posted by Finklejag:
Here are my other post about this oil. It has the same bottle and gold cap as the Mobil 1 Euro bottles.

Interesting! The question now becomes: is the soon-to-arrive M1 0W-30 "R" the same as this SAAB 0W-30?
 
quadrun

I don't think that the 0W-30 long life is going to be the same as the 0W-30 R oil. The LL has alot of additives for long drain intervals. I would like to see what the R is going to be like though.
 
quote:

Originally posted by Tones:
MB, can you post the applicable data from the MSDS? Flash point, pour point, viscocity, density, etc.? That would be cool.
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Here is some of it .

Flash point >200c ASTM D-93
Ignition Temp >350c
Pour Point -45c ASTM D-97
Molecular Weight @100c 9.6mm2/s

There are two methods to arrive at a flash point number and I can never remember them but one gives around a 20-30f higher value than the other . This would be about 400f .

There were not any CAS numbers listed nor is this MSDS from Greentree which is the norm .
 
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