As I drive a lot less now due to public transportation, I hadn't change my oil for awhile but reccolkdct that Honda starts using same size filter across its vehicles. So I ordered 2 top tier XH3593A filters and did oil and filter change for my Accord and Fit. Upon removing the Fit's old filter, I noticed it was much shorter and smaller than what I was installing. But the new and larger filter fit the Fit so I went ahead and completed the work.
It has been 2 weeks and 300 miles and no leaks detected and no degradation in performance registered on the cheek dyno. What do you guys think? Is this a good way to supersize it. OCI is now annually at 5k miles with M1 Extended Performance in specified grade.
Running XG3593A (Accord) oil filter in Fit
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Might be a PH6607 size filter was on there originally. Lots of oil change places use that filter in place of the PH7317 or PH3593A sizes so that they only have to stock one filter for all applications (all are 20x1.5 thread, same gasket diameter, bypass specs, etc.). If you can fit the 3593A, that's certainly the way to go. FWIW, the PH7317 is a bit longer, but not as wide, with similar volume to the PH3593A.
Originally Posted by M1Accord
As I drive a lot less now due to public transportation, I hadn't change my oil for awhile but reccolkdct that Honda starts using same size filter across its vehicles. So I ordered 2 top tier XH3593A filters and did oil and filter change for my Accord and Fit. Upon removing the Fit's old filter, I noticed it was much shorter and smaller than what I was installing. But the new and larger filter fit the Fit so I went ahead and completed the work.
It has been 2 weeks and 300 miles and no leaks detected and no degradation in performance registered on the cheek dyno. What do you guys think? Is this a good way to supersize it. OCI is now annually at 5k miles with M1 Extended Performance in specified grade.
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I think 3593 was the size that all Honda used at one point to keep things simpler during manufacturing. I was surprise when I pulled out the 7317 and even more surprised that it was a regular tough guard as I recall buying several for 10 bucks 2-3 years ago when BITOG crew rave about it. Previous filter had always been M1 104.
I am thinking about going all out to 6607, which cost the same but a lot longer and the same width. It may not fit the Fit but definitely the Accord but I need to see if the angle would protrude too much and run a risk of hit speed bumps or road debrises.
Originally Posted by M1Accord
I am thinking about going all out to 6607, which cost the same but a lot longer and the same width. It may not fit the Fit but definitely the Accord but I need to see if the angle would protrude too much and run a risk of hit speed bumps or road debrises.
Originally Posted by M1Accord
It has been 2 weeks and 300 miles and no leaks detected and no degradation in performance registered on the cheek dyno.
The PH3593A sized filters won't fit on a Fit(or any newer Honda where the oil filter is surrounded by the oil pan). The PH7317 is the best you can get size-wise.
I standardized on the 3593A sized filters across all the Honda's I'm in charge of changing the oil on a long time ago. Never had an issue.
Fram xx3593a, 7317, 6607 and 9688 are the same aside from can size.
9688 and 3593a are basically identical in every way aside from price. Not sure why the 9688 is more..
Media area wise, the 3593a/ 9688 and the 7317 are very close with the latter being a tad longer with a smaller diameter.
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The PH3593A sized filters won't fit on a Fit(or any newer Honda where the oil filter is surrounded by the oil pan). The PH7317 is the best you can get size-wise.
Currently have a 3593 Tough Guard on my 2012 fit, its been on there for 10K miles. Reason- it was on clearance at tractor supply for $2
If memory serves that filter was used on Subarus as well as Hondas 10 or so yrs ago.
While the 7317 has a smaller can i think it has more media but its been awhile since i seen those posts.
I would personally just stick with the 7317 or 1356 wix/napa its proven in motorcycles and powersports as well..its a very well made filter.
Don't know about Subaru but Honda change over to the 7317 size started 2001 with Civic. Accord 2003. That said, 3593a applications still usable on Accord, Civic till ~2008.
Looks like starting 2015 Fit shows diameter restriction preventing 3593a use.
As for Wix/Napa Gold Honda vehicle application, correct one now 5/7356. 1356 no longer spec'd for Honda cars.
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Thanks a lot for your inputs. I don't know whether it really impacts a media area, but 3593 is 0.3" longer. As for higher price of 9688, the main difference in spec is by-pass setting: 9-15 PSI with 9688 against 12PSI with 3593, and this invites the assumption a higher cost is due to a progressive by-pass valve (if PSI range understands namely this). It would be great if our gurus give some comments why for some filters it is specifies an exact value, but for others manufacturers specify a range.
I remember river_rat tests of HAMP filters (among others) where he showed that higher size is not always translated into a higher media area. Do we know approximate media areas of XG3593a, 7317, 6607 and 9688 or at least whether we could rate them by an area size ?
Originally Posted by dlundblad
Fram xx3593a, 7317, 6607 and 9688 are the same aside from can size.
9688 and 3593a are basically identical in every way aside from price. Not sure why the 9688 is more..
Media area wise, the 3593a/ 9688 and the 7317 are very close with the latter being a tad longer with a smaller diameter.
You do realize that EVERY bypass spring is progressive? It's not 10... closed... 11 closed... 12 wide open! Maybe Motorking can weigh in for you... but I am 99.9999% sure you're overthinking this.
Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
You do realize that EVERY bypass spring is progressive? It's not 10... closed... 11 closed... 12 wide open! Maybe Motorking can weigh in for you... but I am 99.9999% sure you're overthinking this.
Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
You do realize that EVERY bypass spring is progressive? It's not 10... closed... 11 closed... 12 wide open! Maybe Motorking can weigh in for you... but I am 99.9999% sure you're overthinking this.
but this first came to the mind. As for progressivity, this seems quite obvious, but it's all relative though, isn't it ? If one by-pass spring is set, say, at 13-15 PSI, but another one at 9-15 PSI, then comparatively to the latter the functioning of the former looks sonner like either closed, or open. Anyway, my question was related to manufacturer specs: why for some filters it's specified an exact value, but for others - a range. Certain inconsistency always evokes questions.
BTW, from your point of view would a filter with 14-18 PSI by-pass spring give some benefits over that with 13-15 PSI if both have identical media, but media of the former is 25-30% larger in area ? Thank you in advance.
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From observation of cut opens, there is variation in bypass valve flow capacity. A smaller bypass valve would open more rapidly over a narrower range than a larger bypass. A large bypass may crack open at the low pressure end and it would be enough to maintain flow. Then there is this clicker bypass shown sometimes which may be a click on click off type according to the name. The common Frams seem to all have the same bypass size.
Originally Posted by dlundblad
9688 and 3593a are basically identical in every way aside from price. Not sure why the 9688 is more.
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Originally Posted by Primus
f one by-pass spring is set, say, at 13-15 PSI, but another one at 9-15 PSI, then comparatively to the latter the functioning of the former looks sonner like either closed, or open. Anyway, my question was related to manufacturer specs: why for some filters it's specified an exact value, but for others - a range. Certain inconsistency always evokes questions.
Originally Posted by Farnsworth
From observation of cut opens, there is variation in bypass valve flow capacity. A smaller bypass valve would open more rapidly over a narrower range than a larger bypass. A large bypass may crack open at the low pressure end and it would be enough to maintain flow.
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