quote:mori - cheese I just saw this thread, give me a chance. Sometimes I think Amsoil doesn't even read the Euro specs other times I think they concentrate purely on the performance portions and don't get hung up on up which portion they don't meet if they think a spec is "better than". For example, the HTHS is probably very close to 4.2, so they don't give a hoot for any spec requiring a HTHS less than 3.5.
Strange that none of the AMSOIL dealers says a peep!
quote:I've pointed this out before, but I don't think Amsoil ever states that their oils actually meet any specs (other than their own internal ones). The wording for their 5w40 European Formula is typical:
Let me condense the question. Does AMSOIL AFL 5W-40, according to AMSOIL, meet either ACEA A3 and ACEA A5 or VW 502.00 and VW 503.00? There can be only a yes or a no answer.
quote:This wording is followed by a long list of ACEA and European OEM specs. Now compare the wording found on the Mobil 1 web site:
AMSOIL Synthetic 5W-40 European Motor Oil is recommended for applications specifying the following:
quote:This wording is followed by a long list of most current European OEM specs, as well as ACEA and API specs. Basically, what Amsoil is telling consumers is "Look, we've tested this oil ourselves and determined it is perfectly suited for applications that require the following specs." That is NOT the same thing as actually testing the oil per the protocols set out in those specs and passing the tests.
Mobil 1 0W-40 meets key industry and car builder specifications for:
quote:It's not up to the consumer to prove that the oils haven't been tested, it's up to Amsoil to prove that they have. And the way to do that is to say flat out "This oil MEETS ______ ." (Fill in the blank with your favorite spec.) You should get a job with CBS news.
Can you say they haven't been tested to the protocols and passed?