Redline 5-w30 in turbocharged DI engines

[Speedfreak05]

Long time lurker. I have a Mazdaspeed 3 that has seen a steady diet of Pennzoil platinum 5w30 or 5w40 euro most of its life, which I’ve been completely satisfied with. However after selling my Ram 1500 I have a few gallon jugs of Redline 5w30 leftover I’m looking to use. To me it looks just as thick as the Pennzoi 5w40. Is there any reason not to run it in the Mazda? I’ve maintained short OCIs of 3k miles.

Thanks!

 

[wpod]

Red line has an 800 number call them,
Red Line Synthetic Oil is open for business Monday through Friday, 7:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. PST.

Red Line Synthetic Oil
6100 Egret Court Benicia, CA 94510
Phone: (707) 745-6100 or (800) 624-7958
Fax: (707) 745-3214

 

[edyvw]

No problems using. Redline 5W30 HTHS is just in line with Pennzoil Platinum 5W40 Euro.

 

[Rand]

how old is it? might be high calcium or otherwise bad for LSPI.

 

[Speedfreak05]

No problems using. Redline 5W30 HTHS is just in line with Pennzoil Platinum 5W40 Euro.

Good to hear. Thank you!

 

[Speedfreak05]

how old is it? might be high calcium or otherwise bad for LSPI.

The oldest just was purchased about two months ago.

 

[Rand]

I would probably email redline and ask. As late as mid 2021 we have VOA with redline 5w30 was 3k+ calcium which is not great for TGDI/LSPI.

 

[930.engineering]

What does the data sheet say? Which year Mazda? DI or not?

 

[endeavor to persevere]

I have been using Red Line 5W30 high performance oil in my 1.4 turbo with no issues. Good amount of zinc and prosperous. The NOACK is 6. Thats pretty good compared to some other oils. I will continue to use it.

 

[330indy]

5W30 Red Line Oil - Quart

Premium high performance 5W30 equivalent to BMW LL-98 and LL-01 standards

www.bimmerworld.com

I plan to use it in my ordered G80 M3

 

[Revving2Redline]

Won't the Moly cancel out the lpsi worries

 

[RDY4WAR]

how old is it? might be high calcium or otherwise bad for LSPI.

It also has a lot of ester with increased amounts of ZDDP and moly, all of which quenchs LSPI.

 

[OVERKILL]

Won't the Moly cancel out the lpsi worries

The ZDDP does, phosphorous has proven to be an LSPI quencher.

 

[PimTac]

Phillips 66 makes good stuff.

 

[Speedfreak05]

Red line has an 800 number call them,
Red Line Synthetic Oil is open for business Monday through Friday, 7:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. PST.

Red Line Synthetic Oil
6100 Egret Court Benicia, CA 94510
Phone: (707) 745-6100 or (800) 624-7958
Fax: (707) 745-3214

Redline advised they recommend the Euro version of their oils in DI engines, but have had no complaints of LSPI with their standard 5w30.

I’m just going to use it up on the next change and keep an eye on the knock readings.

 

[Revving2Redline]

But then again LSPI is only an issue on forced induction gasoline direct injection yes?

 

[RDY4WAR]

But then again LSPI is only an issue on forced induction gasoline direct injection yes?

Any GDI engine is susceptible to it, but it is most prominent in turbo GDI engines where cylinder pressure and temperature is much higher.

 

[buster]

"High oxidation show oils with esters. (if you take fresh oils.)
6-12 - oxidation of oil without esters.
35 - with esters about 5%
60-70 - with esters about 10%
But that's with ExxonMobil's Esterex, other esters may show different oxidation."

There is a guy on the Russian Oil Club site that seems very knowledgeable. This data he posted correlates with what I've seen and from Dave at Redline.

M1 oxidation readings are usually under 10.
M1 0w40 - 36
Amsoil - 40-50
Redline - 90-120
Valvoline Restore which they claim is 50% Ester - 115.

These are not exact figures as the type of ester varies, but you can get some sense of ester %.

 

[edyvw]

5W30 Red Line Oil - Quart

Premium high performance 5W30 equivalent to BMW LL-98 and LL-01 standards

www.bimmerworld.com

I plan to use it in my ordered G80 M3

Yeah, I wouldn’t!

 

[BMWTurboDzl]

But then again LSPI is only an issue on forced induction gasoline direct injection yes?

Not so sure. Not all DI FI engines experience it IMO it primarily depends on the programming. It's akin to constantly short shifting an engine (i.e. Low RPM but high load) for max fuel efficiency. I suspect it's possible to occur in any FI engine (DI or PI). We just never saw it with FI PI because at the time these engines were in service the emissions and FE requirements weren't as stringent and turbos were larger so boost came on higher in the rev range.

My IMO of course.