rap and music in general

[Pop_Rivit]

Garbage such as rap (all of it) and hip hop type noise I frankly find disgusting. The thugs that make that sort of noise and write those types of lyrics are some of the scum of the earth. It's tells a lot about the decline of society in general when these knuckle draggers are considered "artists", rather than considered to be the criminals that they are.

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually, the garbage noise that rappers and hip hoppers make are neither.

I could go on about my opinion of the rapper and hip hop noise and those that listen, but it would cross the bounds of the forum.

 

[CivicFan]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Artem

I used to love the days of Tupac, LL cool J, Biggie, Jay-Z, etc rappers of the 90s and early 2000. Songs used to have meaning, not a bunch of made up words and phrases stuck together just to make something that rhymes

You might like "D.O.A." (Death of Auto-Tune) by Jay-Z. It's pretty much about how a lot of current rap is garbage.


That's a good album. There are a few good rap artists out there but as with everything else, you will have genuine innovators, imitators and talentless hacks.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Garbage such as rap (all of it) and hip hop type noise I frankly find disgusting. The thugs that make that sort of noise and write those types of lyrics are some of the scum of the earth. It's tells a lot about the decline of society in general when these knuckle draggers are considered "artists", rather than considered to be the criminals that they are.

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually, the garbage noise that rappers and hip hoppers make are neither.

I could go on about my opinion of the rapper and hip hop noise and those that listen, but it would cross the bounds of the forum.


Lol....excellent post. I agree with you.

 

[simple_gifts]

Quote:

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually


Really? It is a form of artistic expression and should free to reflect all aspects of the human condition.

Some of Stravinsky's works were "disturbing" to the general population when first released.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle

Let's see a rap "singer" come up with a story like that.


They can't, it contains English

LOL!

Here's another:

Quote:

Welcome to where time stands still
No one leaves and no one will
Moon is full, never seems to change
Just labeled mentally deranged
Dream the same thing every night
I see our freedom in my sight
No locked doors, no windows barred
No things to make my brain seem scarred

Sleep, my friend, and you will see
That dream is my reality
They keep me locked up in this cage
Can't they see it's why my brain says "rage"

Sanitarium, leave me be
Sanitarium, just leave me alone

Build my fear of what's out there
Cannot breathe the open air
Whisper things into my brain
Assuring me that I'm insane
They think our heads are in their hands
But violent use brings violent plans
Keep him tied, it makes him well
He's getting better, can't you tell?


No more can they keep us in
Listen, [censored] it, we will win
They see it right, they see it well
But they think this saves us from our [censored]

Sanitarium, leave me be
Sanitarium, just leave me alone
Sanitarium, just leave me alone

Fear of living on
Natives getting restless now
Mutiny in the air
Got some death to do
Mirror stares back hard
"Kill" it's such a friendly word
Seems the only way
For reaching out again

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
Quote:

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually


Really? It is a form of artistic expression and should free to reflect all aspects of the human condition.

Some of Stravinsky's works were "disturbing" to the general population when first released.


Well said.

 

[Pablo]

I used to think country western music was the worst music, but thanks to rap, country western is no longer in the cellar. Screamo is down there too.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Garbage such as rap (all of it) and hip hop type noise I frankly find disgusting. The thugs that make that sort of noise and write those types of lyrics are some of the scum of the earth. It's tells a lot about the decline of society in general when these knuckle draggers are considered "artists", rather than considered to be the criminals that they are.

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually, the garbage noise that rappers and hip hoppers make are neither.

I could go on about my opinion of the rapper and hip hop noise and those that listen, but it would cross the bounds of the forum.


The most disturbing song I ever heard wasn't rap, metal, or hard rock...it was a nine-minute guitar ballad.

 

[daves87rs]

Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I much prefer the good old days of white boy sugar pop with intelligent lyrics like;

"Yummy Yummy Yummy I got love in my tummy and I feel like loving you!"

-AAaaa ... right.
.

Actually, I like INTELLIGENT lyrics. Like say...this one by Jim Steinman:

Quote:
The skies were pure and the fields were green
And the sun was brighter than it's ever been
When I grew up with my best friend Kenny
We were close as any brothers than you ever knew

It was always summer and the future called
We were ready for adventures and we wanted them all
And there was so much left to dream and so much time to make it real

But I can still recall the sting of all the tears when he was gone
They said he crashed and burned
I know I'll never learn why any boy should die so young

We were racing, we were soldiers of fortune
We got in trouble but we sure got around
There are times I think I see him peeling out of the dark
I think he's right behind me now and he's gaining ground

Chorus:
But it was long ago and it was far away, oh God it seems so very far
And if life is just a highway, then the soul is just a car
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are

And when the sun descended and the night arose
I heard my father cursing everyone he knows
He was dangerous and drunk and defeated
And corroded by failure and envy and hate

There were endless winters and the dreams would freeze
Nowhere to hide and no leaves on the trees
And my father's eyes were blank as he hit me again and again and again

I know I still believe he'd never let me leave, I had to run away alone
So many threats and fears, so many wasted years before my life became my own

And though the nightmares should be over
Some of the terrors are still intact
I'll hear that ugly coarse and violent voice
And then he grabs me from behind and then he pulls me back

And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are
And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are

There was a beauty living on the edge of town
And she always put the top up and the hammer down
And she taught me everything I'll ever know
About the mystery and the muscle of love

The stars would glimmer and the moon would glow
I'm in the back seat with my Julie like a Romeo
And the signs along the highway all said, Caution! Kids At Play!

Those were the rites of spring and we did everything
There was salvation every night
We got our dreams reborn and our upholstery torn
But everything we tried was right

She used her body just like a bandage, she used my body just like a wound
I'll probably never know where she disappeared
But I can see her rising up out of the back seat now
Just like an angel rising up from a tomb

And objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are (repeats 6x)

She used her body just like a bandage, she used my body just like a wound
I'll probably never know where she disappeared But I can see her rising up
out of the back seat now............


Let's see a rap "singer" come up with a story like that.



Meatloaf!

You can tell I have the album..

I listen to nearly everything, including rap. Granted the music is not as good as it once was...


It's pretty bad when the boy bands sound better than this...

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: andrewg
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
Garbage such as rap (all of it) and hip hop type noise I frankly find disgusting. The thugs that make that sort of noise and write those types of lyrics are some of the scum of the earth. It's tells a lot about the decline of society in general when these knuckle draggers are considered "artists", rather than considered to be the criminals that they are.

Music should be uplifting both emotionally and spiritually, the garbage noise that rappers and hip hoppers make are neither.

I could go on about my opinion of the rapper and hip hop noise and those that listen, but it would cross the bounds of the forum.


Lol....excellent post. I agree with you.


Ted (what's his name?) Nugent? anyone?
Not thuggish at all.

And my belief is that many people's distaste for a certain thing may come from deep-seeded feelings actually. Maybe its not the music, but the people you have a dislike for?

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Without a job or an education what else can thugs look forward to guns, money and hoes ?


Change thugs to white trash and hoes to trailers and or meth.

Just making sure we offend more than one race in this thread.

 

[asiancivicmaniac]

I'm one of those people who listens to almost everything except metal and legit country, and there are some really good rap and hip-hop songs. I used to hate rap, but several of Eminem's, Kanye's, and Jay-Z's songs have made it to the top of my playlist. There's also Lupe Fiasco who I think is underrated.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: surfstar

Ted (what's his name?) Nugent? anyone?
Not thuggish at all.

And my belief is that many people's distaste for a certain thing may come from deep-seeded feelings actually. Maybe its not the music, but the people you have a dislike for?

Was wondering how long before someone played the racist card.

If you don't like something generally associated with group X, well then clearly you're a racist/bigot/-phobe/intolerant/misogynist etc etc. No longer can you simply dislike something on its own merit. There MUST be some ulterior motive or "deep seeded" reason you don't like it.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: buickman50401
Originally Posted By: surfstar

Ted (what's his name?) Nugent? anyone?
Not thuggish at all.

And my belief is that many people's distaste for a certain thing may come from deep-seeded feelings actually. Maybe its not the music, but the people you have a dislike for?

Was wondering how long before someone played the racist card.

If you don't like something generally associated with group X, well then clearly you're a racist/bigot/-phobe/intolerant/misogynist etc etc. No longer can you simply dislike something on its own merit. There MUST be some ulterior motive or "deep seeded" reason you don't like it.


Quite right. I got called a racist for making remarks about the rather primitive structure (and message) of Rap music.... in a thread about a WHITE rapper!!

You make a good point. I remember growing up the shift from simply watching what you said to the politically correct nonsense. Somebody who was obese was now "horizontally challenged" and the like. This has now morphed into every bloody statement made, if it is in disagreement with something else, or it isn't telling somebody their feces smell like roses, it must have a sinister racially-oriented, or some other equally offensive motive behind it.

And of course what is also funny here is that white people seem to be the only ones performing this PC "self censorship".

We created almost overnight this "culture of tolerance" to end an intolerance "problem" that I think perhaps, at that stage of the game, we were the only ones who thought we had one. And we became so intolerant of this perceived intolerance that now we can't even tolerate ourselves discussing anything that might be misconstrued as intolerant! This is truly an extremely twisted self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[andrewg]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: buickman50401
Originally Posted By: surfstar

Ted (what's his name?) Nugent? anyone?
Not thuggish at all.

And my belief is that many people's distaste for a certain thing may come from deep-seeded feelings actually. Maybe its not the music, but the people you have a dislike for?

Was wondering how long before someone played the racist card.

If you don't like something generally associated with group X, well then clearly you're a racist/bigot/-phobe/intolerant/misogynist etc etc. No longer can you simply dislike something on its own merit. There MUST be some ulterior motive or "deep seeded" reason you don't like it.


Quite right. I got called a racist for making remarks about the rather primitive structure (and message) of Rap music.... in a thread about a WHITE rapper!!

You make a good point. I remember growing up the shift from simply watching what you said to the politically correct nonsense. Somebody who was obese was now "horizontally challenged" and the like. This has now morphed into every bloody statement made, if it is in disagreement with something else, or it isn't telling somebody their feces smell like roses, it must have a sinister racially-oriented, or some other equally offensive motive behind it.

And of course what is also funny here is that white people seem to be the only ones performing this PC "self censorship".

We created almost overnight this "culture of tolerance" to end an intolerance "problem" that I think perhaps, at that stage of the game, we were the only ones who thought we had one. And we became so intolerant of this perceived intolerance that now we can't even tolerate ourselves discussing anything that might be misconstrued as intolerant! This is truly an extremely twisted self-fulfilling prophecy.

Excellent post.

 

[Loobed]

Originally Posted By: surfstar


Ted (what's his name?) Nugent? anyone?
Not thuggish at all.

And my belief is that many people's distaste for a certain thing may come from deep-seeded feelings actually. Maybe its not the music, but the people you have a dislike for?



Nugent is a nutcase.

 

[surfstar]

Originally Posted By: buickman50401
Was wondering how long before someone played the racist card.

If you don't like something generally associated with group X, well then clearly you're a racist/bigot/-phobe/intolerant/misogynist etc etc. No longer can you simply dislike something on its own merit. There MUST be some ulterior motive or "deep seeded" reason you don't like it.


Really? Did you not see this in my quoted post?

Quote:
The thugs that make that sort of noise and write those types of lyrics are some of the scum of the earth. It's tells a lot about the decline of society in general when these knuckle draggers are considered "artists", rather than considered to be the criminals that they are.


There's a reason I called out what someone else posted. I do believe there is no 'merit' in that statement of their dislike of a certain type of music.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Without a job or an education what else can thugs look forward to guns, money and hoes ?


Change thugs to white trash and hoes to trailers and or meth.

Just making sure we offend more than one race in this thread.


Rap is often blamed for degrading society, but there are really many genres that glorify unsavory things. Rap is just an easy target because of the blatant obscenity. I think a lot of people just tune out those unsavory things when they hear them in other genres because the song is catchy.

A lot of radio country glorifies alcoholism, underachievement, and laziness, all of which are severely detremental to society, but "I like beer, I like the bar, give my horse a beer" makes a good pop country song though.

Before someone jumps on me for making fun of country, I listen to David Allen Coe, CDB, Hank, Hank Jr, Waylon, and other real country. Pop country bar music about not making a truck payment because you don't have a job and the dog drank all the beer can be grouped with pop rap.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Without a job or an education what else can thugs look forward to guns, money and hoes ?


Change thugs to white trash and hoes to trailers and or meth.

Just making sure we offend more than one race in this thread.


Rap is often blamed for degrading society, but there are really many genres that glorify unsavory things. Rap is just an easy target because of the blatant obscenity. I think a lot of people just tune out those unsavory things when they hear them in other genres because the song is catchy.

A lot of radio country glorifies alcoholism, underachievement, and laziness, all of which are severely detremental to society, but "I like beer, I like the bar, give my horse a beer" makes a good pop country song though.

Before someone jumps on me for making fun of country, I listen to David Allen Coe, CDB, Hank, Hank Jr, Waylon, and other real country. Not that pop country bar music about not making a truck payment because you don't have a job and the dog drank all the beer.


I'm not a fan of any music that advocates the dumbing-down of society. However, rap is the whipping boy of choice here because it takes that message far beyond the "I drink and pass out" Country song, or the "all the boys look at my boobs" Pop gag-fest.

Rap music in general advocates (I'm not saying ALL of it does):
- Gun violence
- The [censored] of the English language
- The objectification (and arguably the demeaning and degradation) of women
- Materialism as a way of life and set of "values"
- That drug and alcohol use and abuse is an acceptable life choice.

I don't think I've ever bore witness to another genre that touches on all of those slights against humanity in one go, yet this is routinely the case with Rap.

It isn't the profanity that bothers me. I can handle swearing no problem. FFDP is sure to offend equally in that regard if that is your hang-up. No, it is the blatant disrespect for what constitutes "English" in Rap that seriously grates me. Ebonics is NOT a language! And on top of that, the senseless killings that are not only promoted in the music, but play out that way between artists is disgusting. No respect for human life, no respect for language, no respect for the laws that define society.... It is easy to see why people like myself regard it with such disdain.

And I DO think that the "ghetto culture" that it promotes has had a serious effect on society. Glorifying and glamorizing something so uncivilized simply blows my mind.

 

[01rangerxl]

A lot of music is a poor choice for an English lesson. Honky Tonk Badonkadonk? Slang is used widely in all generes of popular music, but again, rap is very blatant about it, so it is an easy target.

Rap does take those social issues and run with them in many cases, but it's a reflection of where it came from. If an aspiring rapper lives in a ghetto surrounded by drugs, prostitution, violence, etc., that's what he or she will probably rap about. What message they choose to convey about those issues and how makes more of a difference than the subject itself. I will agree, a lot of it is the wrong message.

And the same is true for other genres. There's country that deals with social issues in an artistic way (Whiskey Lullaby by Brad Paisley and Alison Krauss) or that is simply pure idiocy (I love this bar by Toby Keith).

I'd rather beat up on all [censored] music than use one genre as a whipping boy.