Some dealers are nuts I looked at a 2002 Altima that was on the lot of a Buick/GMC truck dealership, it was low mileage, like only 70k or something like that, but it had lots of paint defects, a broken gas cap cover, a wonky seatbelt latch on the drivers side, I think one of the door handles was broken on the back, the rear view mirror was trashed, it was missing the hood prop,etc... I was willing to offer them like $2500, but they absolutely would not go down from $4000 + taxes and their bs fees, No way in I would pay almost 5 grand for a nearly 19 year old Altima unless it was absolutely immaculate and low mileage with service records.