The Fram looks better than expected. 30ppm of Titanium is more than Castrol puts in their non-Euro EDGE products.
Good to see!No surprise with Fram, Amalie makes quality products.
I'd love to see the pistons, as just removing the valve covers tells only a small part of the story.All I know is pictures don't lie. Maybe Valvoline isn't the premier oil like the beloved Mobil, Pennzoil etc. All I have used in this motor other than a couple of times using Castrol is Valvoline synthetic. View attachment 95128
@M56959 You could merge this thread with https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/pqia-results-for-three-api-sp-0w-20-oils.353344/ instead of locking down the other one.
Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20 is the most advanced formulation of the three. Given the lower AW additive levels, I assume they are using Alkalythed Naphtalines or something even more advanced in their formulation. They along with Mobil 1 are staying ahead of the curve.
Don't read too much into the higher Boron / Titatinum / Molybdenum levels of the other lubes, their formulations are a bit older. SOPUS / XOM are moving towards more complex organic additive packages.
It'd be interesting to see the NOACK of Castrol EDGE EP 0W-20, as that one is the one and the same oil that's used by Land Rover Jaguar as factory fill for most of their vehicles.
Small part of the story? If it's that spotless on the top with not near the oil bath why would it be dirtier or not as good below that point? Sounds like you don't know jack **** about motors. Same dumbass that thinks Valvoline isn't as good solely off base oil. Working at Jiffy Lube must make you a master tech on all things machines right?
That was the SM flavor. Gokhan was raving all about it when VOA of it was releasedWas it API SM (or was it SN) when Pennzoil always had triple digit moly?
Man that was back in the day huh! Was that gray bottle PP,or was that even further back in time,when PP came in those oil spout shaped bottles, the Pennzane stuff?That was the SM flavor. Gokhan was raving all about it when VOA of it was released
That's true. However, that's not why Mobil is using ANs in their ILSAC GF6A/B engine oils. They do it because it decreases surface competition and increases the effectiveness of the PI package. I assume other factors are at play here, like organic friction reducers. If you couple that with the reduction of ZDDP, you get a more fuel-efficient oil, not to mention that when you increase the quality of your base oils and decrease the quantity of your additives, you also get a better NOACK. The problem with ZDDP is that it generates friction. I don't know how much friction is reduced by lowering it, but it must be substantial. That was the thinking behind Mobil's AFE line-up, and the same thinking was applied to Mobil 1 EP 0W-20. I assume that something similar is at play here. This is not the first time I've seen Pennzoil with reduced levels of ZDDP. I've seen the same in PUP SRT 0W-40. If they're not using ANs, I wonder what other chemistries can yield similar results. The reduction in ZDDP has nothing to do with the "so-called" shortages. That's a can of worm I'd rather not open, though.
I just fixed that for you.
This was the yellow PYB, not PPMan that was back in the day huh! Was that gray bottle PP,or was that even further back in time,when PP came in those oil spout shaped bottles, the Pennzane stuff?
This was the yellow PYB, not PP
And I don't disagree with you. However, when you have multiple ILSAC GF6A lubricants that are all API SP licensed and maybe carry a Dexos Gen 2 or 3 license, how do you compare them? Because they are not all equal. Or how about if we throw in a wildcard like Castrol EDGE EP 0W-20, which is MB229.71 approved, claims ACEA C5, and is API SP and Dexos 1 Gen 2 licensed? It's also the identical lubricant that in Europe is sold as Castrol EDGE 0W-20 C5, where it's also Jaguar / Land Rover approved. How do you compete against that? I mean, surely, based on its face value, you can't. You absolutely can't, and since technically it's got the same ILSAC GF6A classification, it's a fair fight, right? Right!Whatever. I determine a oil’s capability by the certifications and licenses, not by guessing base oil composition. But you can continue to play the guessing game as you wish.