PP no longer A5/B5

[1JZ_E46]

There is a new PDS out there for PP 5W-30 (SN+, d1g2) and it no longer meets A5/B5-16. It only lists "A5" as the ACEA spec (which I don't think is allowed under the ACEA standard). I think this leaves Mobil 1 as the only big company that makes an oil that meets A5/B5 in conjunction with d1g2 and SN+.

A5/B5-16 is turning out to be a difficult specification to meet.

PDS (updated 1-29-2019):
https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/f3cdb3bd-df6a-4c7d-b354-f5b475db32b7.pdf

 

[slacktide_bitog]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[SlavaB]

Sorry for the question, but what's so special about A5/B5?

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted by SlavaB
Sorry for the question, but what's so special about A5/B5?

Absolutely nothing. Any halfway-decent synthetic oil will meet it.

Besides, the second page in the PDS shows A5/B5.

 

[SlavaB]

Ok, so I'm confused.
Older version of specs here
https://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/products/full-synthetic-motor-oils/pennzoil-platinum.html
says A5/B5, but only has ford wss-m2c946-a

the newer one here (for whatever reason not hosted on pennzoil website itself, but on shell.com instead)
https://www.shell-livedocs.com/data/published/en-US/f3cdb3bd-df6a-4c7d-b354-f5b475db32b7.pdf
says ACEA A5 only, but has both FORD WSS-M2C946-A and FORD WSS-M2C946-B1

I'm confused if anything has changed really or it's just a game of wording

 

[SlavaB]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by SlavaB
Sorry for the question, but what's so special about A5/B5?

Absolutely nothing. Any halfway-decent synthetic oil will meet it.

Besides, the second page in the PDS shows A5/B5.


LOL true

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Absolutely nothing. Any halfway-decent synthetic oil will meet it.


Disagree. Have you read the tests/results an oil must pass to be stamped A5/B5? It's more stringent than A3/B4 but at a lower viscosity.

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Besides, the second page in the PDS shows A5/B5.


You have me there! I completely missed that. Appears "A5" was put in the wrong section (approvals section, which ACEA is not).

 

[1JZ_E46]

Moderator, feel free to place an edit on my first post or delete the thread all together. I'm blind it turns out.

 

[wemay]

EDGE also meets A5/B5

 

[Sayjac]

Upon further review, as Gilda aka Emily Litella would say......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrbybKWwb7c

 

[WyrTwister]

As long as it is DEXOS for the Sonic , it is OK . The Buick does not call for DEXOS . Dad used QS5W-30 conventional in the Caprice . That is what I have used .

I know nothing about A5/B5 .

 

[TTK]

Originally Posted by wemay
EDGE also meets A5/B5


Which EDGE would that be? Not EDGE Extended.

 

[ka9mnx]

Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by SlavaB
Sorry for the question, but what's so special about A5/B5?

Absolutely nothing. Any halfway-decent synthetic oil will meet it.

Besides, the second page in the PDS shows A5/B5.

Not true. Please review the ACEA specs for reference. ACEA is more difficult to achieve than API and ILSAC.

https://www.kuttenkeuler.de/kkweb/Download/enACEA.pdf?objectId=1000460

https://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by TTK
Originally Posted by wemay
EDGE also meets A5/B5


Which EDGE would that be? Not EDGE Extended.


I have yet to see any version of EDGE with A5/B5. Even Castrol's website lists them as A1/B1.

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by ka9mnx
Originally Posted by Gokhan
Originally Posted by SlavaB
Sorry for the question, but what's so special about A5/B5?

Absolutely nothing. Any halfway-decent synthetic oil will meet it.

Besides, the second page in the PDS shows A5/B5.

Not true. Please review the ACEA specs for reference. ACEA is more difficult to achieve than API and ILSAC.

https://www.kuttenkeuler.de/kkweb/Download/enACEA.pdf?objectId=1000460

https://www.acea.be/uploads/news_documents/ACEA_European_oil_sequences_2016.pdf


That's just Gokhan once again making baseless claims and trying to pretend that he know better than those with far more credibility than him. Ignore.

 

[wemay]

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by TTK
Originally Posted by wemay
EDGE also meets A5/B5


Which EDGE would that be? Not EDGE Extended.


I have yet to see any version of EDGE with A5/B5. Even Castrol's website lists them as A1/B1.


I looked at a couple of 5qt jugs of EDGE (black), and on the back they claim to meet A5/B5. That was just a couple days ago. I don't know what the date code was but they also met d1G2. But as is the case with A5/B5, it may not meet it anymore. Like M1 and Quaker State, it seems to come and go.

 

[doyall]

Any indications on shell-livedocs as to whether Ultra Platinum PDSs have been updated, particularly to indicate SN+/D1G2 specs? (I do not have an account and there is no link from which to establish one.)

 

[1JZ_E46]

Originally Posted by doyall
Any indications on shell-livedocs as to whether Ultra Platinum PDSs have been updated, particularly to indicate SN+/D1G2 specs? (I do not have an account and there is no link from which to establish one.)


No need for an account: http://www.epc.shell.com/default.asp?whichLang=EN

No d1g2 (or even d1g1 for that matter) or SN+ mentioned. Probably still old formula.

 

[doyall]

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
... No need for an account: http://www.epc.shell.com/default.asp?whichLang=EN ...


Appreciate it much.

 

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Originally Posted by doyall
Any indications on shell-livedocs as to whether Ultra Platinum PDSs have been updated, particularly to indicate SN+/D1G2 specs? (I do not have an account and there is no link from which to establish one.)

No need for an account: http://www.epc.shell.com/default.asp?whichLang=EN
No d1g2 (or even d1g1 for that matter) or SN+ mentioned. Probably still old formula.

Seems like SOPUS is going to stay "old school" with that one, it seems to have something of a cult following so maybe that's a wise business decision...