Post from Carpy-RePosted here

[Bio-T]

This is a post from Carpy, he requested the other be deleted: Apologies Accepted. I will ask though, that before this thread goes somewhere that I never wanted it to, that someone would please call:
1-800-662-4525
And remember to select option #1
The other options will take you to the engineering lab, and they were specifically instructed not to give out formulation information. They refer you to cust serv, I dont know why. Option #1 takes you to lubricant cust serv, who has the latest fact sheets regarding formulation info that the company can reveal.
The point of my post was not to claim that Mobil's oil was superior to any others, but only to reveal what I know about the base stocks. I knew from my past reading on this site, that there are many that are interested in this. The bottom line is, that any GF-4 oil will meet specification, but this was Mobil's solution to meeting it.
Could the moderators please delete this topic? It has turned a little hostile and I never intended for this to happen.It strayed away for its' intent to provide data for "informational purposes". Maybe just leave this response so that the cust serv

 

[ToyotaNSaturn]

Tony, could you repost Carpy's first post in the thread that was deleted that detailed the latest Mobil formulations?

 

[Bio-T]

This is Carpys original post. It is very informative and this information keeps this site what it is.

I have found this board because of similar interests. I work for Exxon/Mobil, and I can confirm to you that the new Drive Clean 5w-30 GF4 (dino, not blend)is totally blended with Group III base oils. There is a small Group I component, which is the additive pack carrier(15-20%) but the rest is formulated with group III. WE also have publicized that there will be no price increases for this new formulation. The reason I am posting this is because I want to expose how the competitors are ripping people off by raising the prices of their new formulations. Granted the price of stock crude has gone up, but the price of refined base oils should not have raised. Our profit margin is still strong and you can imagine how much profit the companies that are supplying GF-4 with group II, II+, & III blends are making. Are philosophy is if we can supply motor oil with only one refining process(GrpIII severe refinement) our overall inventory costs will be less than having to refining 3 different base products. The Drive Clean Plus is formulated using Group III(60%), PAO(23%), and 15-20% additive pack carried by Group I. The Group I base in the additive pack is supllied solely by the additive supplier. If you guys have further questions, I will check this board from time to time. And yes, we have a contract to supply Group III to one of the blenders of SuperTech. Their GF-4 5w-30 will be ab 40/40 Group I/III blend. Edited to post Exxon?Mobil custmer service#: 1-800-662-4525 select option 1 to get proof of all of the above.

[ October 02, 2004, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: rugerman1 ]

 

[uconn1150]

Tony,

Thanks for the repost. This post is very informative. Sorry to have seen things get out of hand. Some people are always out to get the messenger.

 

[MONKEYMAN]

Nice information. Much appreciated. Thanks Carpy!

 

[Blue99]

I'm sorry that Carpy perceived the thread as getting out-of-hand. I was looking forward to additional inside info on another new formulation for GF-4.

To me, the most interesting aspect is that evidently Mobil DC will be either all GRP III or at least a very substantial percentage.

And it's a sure bet that the front or back label will not have any reference to the "S" word.

Anybody think this might generate price pressure on the Grp III "faux synthetics" sold at 4 bucks a quart?

BTW, Haley10, in reference to GRP III being expensive,the SK & S-Oil GrpIII base oils are shipped to the USA & sell for 50-55 cents a quart. ExxonMobil's internal costs for GRP III will be lower than this amount.

 

[jbas]

Kudos to Mobil. This would almost be "revolutionary," and like the posters say above, competitors would, to some extent, have to respond in kind. Always appreciated Mobil's "detergent gasolines," "Mobil 1," and their fine website info, et al.

The average Joe American (and Canadian?) could get a Group III-ish oil for $1.17/quart at WW (MotorBike was right on the prices). The "Plus" version (w/PAO) at $2.18. Got to mean better engine protection for everyone. Sweet!

 

[haley10]

It would be interesting to find out what goes into the additive package. I assume the dino and the Blend will be very different?

This is probably proprietary info, so we'll never really know.

I think we have already speculated about the current blend and HM blend as far as AN and Ester. Simple voa's seem to show us less all the time.

Drive Clean before seemed to be strong on detergents and weak on "visible on voa" AW agents.


I'm sure someone will voa as soon as they get their hands on a bottle.

Any info on the additive pak would be interesting.

Tony, maybe a MODERATOR should call or designate some to call EM. They probably won't like everyone on Bitog jamming their switchboard. Those CS reps will be pulling their hair out.

 

[haley10]

quote:

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Originally posted by Blue99:

BTW, Haley10, in reference to GRP III being expensive,the SK & S-Oil GrpIII base oils are shipped to the USA & sell for 50-55 cents a quart. ExxonMobil's internal costs for GRP III will be lower than this amount.

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Thanks for the info, I wasn't up to date. I was thinking it was more like 90 cents to produce. Technology marches on.

Blue, are there differences in quality of GP III's though?? What about Slack Wax and XHVI?

 

[Audi Junkie]

Who cares if the original poster ran away from doubting board members?

All the info on DCO and DCO+ would be available through the MSDS and webpage anyway.

 

[White 03]

I care.

 

[jbas]

Well, because of my lack of tech-knowledge, I care. The original post told us no 10W-40 formulation is ready now. That the 10W-30 is soon to come on. And if the MSDS, webpage, are all we need, why is this "news" to many of us? (I'm not qualified like you are to read one with full understanding, so this was helpful info to me).

 

[buster]

Me two.

 

[Blue99]

Haley - Sure, the 130+ VI grades of Grp III that begin to approach PAO performance, whether produced from slack wax feedstock or not, will be more expensive.

The S-Oil Grp III base oils have a VI index of from 120 to 128. I think this VI level will be more of the workhorse grade for the GF-4 oils.

 

[Blue99]

And Me care three!

 

[haley10]

My apology was accepted, so let's stop this.

Please.

I don't have any pull myself. Exxon/Mobil will only tell me that this is "proprietary" information. Customer service or whomever will not share this info.

Perhaps one of our sponsors can help??

Unless you have an inside track and know someone, please don't tie up their phone lines.

EM was very nice, but they won't tell.

 

[WeyounDS9]

Lets have a look at their latest MSDS's , if they have been updated?

Fred..

 

[motorguy222]

I care that carpy left.He was attcked unjustly.
While the apology may have been accepted the damage has been done.

From the post he placed,he KNOWS what is going on at XOM.We possibly had an inside link that is now gone.

What a Shame .

I think that people need to be a little less gung-
ho when a new poster comes around with possible
info.
Give the person a chance before they are hung out to dry.

It is fine to be skeptical of some of the posts regarding oil but the posts against carpy went to far,too soon.

Did any of the nay-sayers even call the number he provided before bashing him? No.

Did they give the guy a chance before raking him over the coals? No.

Would WE want to be treated this way? No .

carpy was called a liar,how many of US would take such lightly considering WE had just made OUR first post?


Regarding the MSDS,we can get some info from such but XOM is NOT going to give away their formula.
We cant get ALL of the info that many seek from the MSDS.

While we can get an idea of the makup,XOM isnt going to give away the 'recipe' for their oil.

Also,the XOM website has NOT been updated with their new MSDS for their SM oil.Unless I missed something,the XOM website doesnt even mention the actual SM standard.

 

[Bio-T]

Thanks to all that posted, but it is hard to keep this one on topic because it contains so many variables. I am going to close this one, and then anyone can start one that is topic specific.
Thanks.

 

[Motorbike]

quote:

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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
Who cares if the original poster ran away from doubting board members?

All the info on DCO and DCO+ would be available through the MSDS and webpage anyway.

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If you think you can decipher anything of real value on this topic out of E/M's cleverly written MSDS's for any of their oils please post .