Plug-in Electric F-150 Possible as Early as Model Year 2021

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Interesting, and while I like innovation and like to see a major auto maker step up and produce a vehicle that will be more affordable and more capable than the products from a boutique manufacturer, I don't see these trucks selling strongly for a while but who knows. The three things holding EV's back as I see it are charging infrastructure, charging time, and initial purchase price.
 
I would love to see and own one of these. There was a day when I thought this EV stuff was total nonsense but after seeing and reading about Tesla's I am a believer. I hope they make it so they don't rust out so fast because I believe an EV would last a lot longer than a gas powered pickup.
 
Plug in electrics? No thanks. The limited range, long charging times, and cost premium make it a foolish purchase. I can buy several years worth of gas for the additional cost of an electric.

Add to that, if there's ever an extended electrical outage (like there is during a hurricane here or an ice storm for the northern folks) you loose your ability to charge it up. I can store a few gallons of extra gas for the pickup if needed, but I can't store extra electricity for an electric vehicle. With the longer range of a gas vehicle, I can always drive out of the power outage area to get gas, but that's severely limited with an electric. When we lost power for a couple days from hurricane Michael we drove up to Ozark to fill the gas tanks and cans, but that's not an option for an electric.
 
Hmm. These days, for what I use my truck for, it might work. I use it for short trips around town it seems, and never to its max.

Still. I'd rather have a short range car and just take the truck for any long distance driving.

But to each their own. We'll see how the electric truck experiment works out. I think it might work well for fleets and company trucks, but I know it'd work in some suburban areas too for certain users.
 
This weekend, I drove my 3.5L Ecoboost from S. FL to upstate NY. It was loaded up with a 48V golf cart in the bed and aircraft jacks/supplies. I was able to go 450 miles between fill ups at 81 MPH. Took me just under 19 hours driving time. 3 fuel stops. Longest break, 15 minutes to get a sandwich.

A Tesla SUV with 250 mile range requires 14 charge stops, 8 of which are for an hour. The rest are 30-40 minutes. Drive time 30 hours 14 minutes. AND, I am not at all sure it can do it at 81MPH.

Sorry, but that does not work for me.
 
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This weekend, I drove my 3.5L Ecoboost from S. FL to upstate NY. It was loaded up with a 48V golf cart in the bed and aircraft jacks/supplies. I was able to go 450 miles between fill ups at 81 MPH. Took me just under 19 hours driving time. 3 fuel stops. Longest break, 15 minutes to get a sandwich.

A Tesla SUV with 250 mile range requires 14 charge stops, 8 of which are for an hour. The rest are 30-40 minutes. Drive time 30 hours 14 minutes. AND, I am not at all sure it can do it at 81MPH.

Sorry, but that does not work for me.



Even with a Model S long range, it's not an ideal trip.

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I wonder if these electric pickups are being made mainly for municipal government fleets and other short range fleets? They would make sense in this regard.
 
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Cujet said:
This weekend, I drove my 3.5L Ecoboost from S. FL to upstate NY. It was loaded up with a 48V golf cart in the bed and aircraft jacks/supplies. I was able to go 450 miles between fill ups at 81 MPH. Took me just under 19 hours driving time. 3 fuel stops. Longest break, 15 minutes to get a sandwich.

A Tesla SUV with 250 mile range requires 14 charge stops, 8 of which are for an hour. The rest are 30-40 minutes. Drive time 30 hours 14 minutes. AND, I am not at all sure it can do it at 81MPH.

Sorry, but that does not work for me.



Even with a Model S long range, it's not an ideal trip.

I took 95 to 26 to 77 to 81 to 84 to 87. Mostly to avoid the massive traffic jams in NJ last night.

On a trip like that, going slower in an EV may get you there faster. As consumption is lower.
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Can't wait to see what Ford comes up with.

The Tesla pickup will almost certainly out-tow any other light duty pickup on the market. Elon laughed at a Ram towing 12,000 lbs.
 
What charging stations do you see that will allow a truck to charge the battery while having a travel trailer hitched up?

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Plug in stations are often not working, or occupied for hours on end, just a bad idea to depend on them. One needs to rely on charging at home only. That means these electric vehicles should stay within a hundred miles or so of home. No long trips.
Put a 3 cylinder Ford 1.0L engine on it and a gas tank to recharge the batteries (Serial Hybrid), and then they've got a general purpose pickup for long trips.
 
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What charging stations do you see that will allow a truck to charge the battery while having a travel trailer hitched up?

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The pull-through type.

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Originally Posted by E365
Elon laughed at a Ram towing 12,000 lbs.


Expect any different ?

The Ram won't cost $ 93,799 though.
 
There was a time 100 years ago a combustion engine vehicle probably couldn't drive from NY to Florida without breaking down every 100mi.

Technology will advance. Give it 15-20yrs and EVs will be able to go 1-2k miles on a single charge.

A 200kw battery would net ~600mi today but the price would be expensive. It's not that Elon or Ford can't build a vehicle with a 1k mile range. The issue is no one wants to pay $350k to have an EV that can accomplish that.
 
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There was a time 100 years ago a combustion engine vehicle probably couldn't drive from NY to Florida without breaking down every 100mi.

Technology will advance. Give it 15-20yrs and EVs will be able to go 1-2k miles on a single charge.

A 200kw battery would net ~600mi today but the price would be expensive. It's not that Elon or Ford can't build a vehicle with a 1k mile range. The issue is no one wants to pay $350k to have an EV that can accomplish that.


What will these hypothetical cells utilize, Unicorn Dust?
 
The Tesla semi uses a 26,000 pound battery. Giving up to 500 miles of range. 2kwh per mile at 25c per kWh at superchargers. Cost, 50c per mile. Or about 50% more than diesel. And only 2/3 the frieght capacity due to the 26,000 pound battery.
 
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