Penrite HPR 5w40 just a good deal, or not?

[supercity]

Most people in Australia will be familier with HPR but if you arn't, HPR is Penrite's "middle of the range" full syn product.

Penrite HPR range

HPR 5

HPR 5 can be had for around $45 where as most of the other HPR oils are up around $60. As far as I can tell it's the cheapest 5w40 on the market. The next cheapest would ne Nulon and that has a TBN of 7.2! In fact, it's pretty hard to get anything full syn (or 5w40) for under $60. So is this a genuine good deal or am I missing something?

 

[tobysoph]

I wish I knew! I bought 10 litres on special but it is a very thick oil, even for 5W-40, and I prefer 5W-30, so I have not used it yet.

 

[supercity]

Yes that's the same reason I have not bought it. I'm really looking for a 5w30

 

[Shannow]

If you are looking for a "cheap", 5W-30 synthetic, I'm currently using SuperCheap Auto's "Calibre" house brand 5W-30 synthetic.

It's $48.95 for 5.5 litres, and is rebottled Caltex C3

http://www.caltex.com.au/ProductsAndServices/Pages/ProductDescription.aspx?ID=1800

In my Nissan ZD30 at the moment, and giving the equal best economy of anything I've used to date.

 

[supercity]

I did concider that stuff. That or maybe Repco 10w30. This is for my wife's Toyota Rav4 which calls for 5w30.

It does only 5-6000km a year but a lot of short trips. I want to do oil changes once a year.

 

[Shannow]

I'm doing 12-15 month changes (10,000km) on the Nissan, most recently with Mobil 3000 5W-40 syn, and before that Magnatec SP 5W-40.

I'm putting calibre 5W-30 in it and the statesmen at the current time.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
If you are looking for a "cheap", 5W-30 synthetic, I'm currently using SuperCheap Auto's "Calibre" house brand 5W-30 synthetic.

It's $48.95 for 5.5 litres, and is rebottled Caltex C3

http://www.caltex.com.au/ProductsAndServices/Pages/ProductDescription.aspx?ID=1800

In my Nissan ZD30 at the moment, and giving the equal best economy of anything I've used to date.

That's still a heavy 30wt oil.
If you can get their lighter 5W-30 that would be more appropriate: http://www.caltex.com.au/ProductsAndServices/Pages/ProductDescription.aspx?ID=1772

Another option would be the Penrite HPR O 0W-30:
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/tech_pdfs_new/Product Listing February 2012.pdf

 

[supercity]

That's the problem with the house brands, you dont really know what your are getting. Caltex is also hard to get.

HPR0 is $60 where as HPR5 is $45, big difference.

Repco 10w30 is made by Penrite and a synthetic. However Penrite do not make a synthetic 10w30 under their own name and Repco give no specs.

Durablend 5w30 maybe a good option at $50. I think its ACEA A1 though which I'm not sure about. I would be happiers with A3. Comments?

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/durablend.pdf

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: supercity
That's the problem with the house brands, you dont really know what your are getting. Caltex is also hard to get.


In the case of the Supercheap products at the moment, I can tell you exactly what they are (well at least the two that I've researched.

The Calibre 5W-30 is the Caltex C3 product, and the 15WW-40 diesel is Delo Gold Ultra...at least currently, while the Calibre/Caltex link is still extant.

As to the Repco/Penrite link, I'm suspicious, as you say because they don't sell those grades under their own brand name.

 

[Hendo]

What vehicle are you using this oil for?

If you want a well specced 5w40, I found Alglomoil GEO550 has fantastic specs. Check this out:

http://www.anglomoil.com/tds/Specifications GEO.pdf

note high tbn (10.1)

I buy it by the 20L and it ends up cheaper than the Penrite, for a much stouter oil

 

[supercity]

I have never heard of that oil. Where do you buy it? for the record HPR5 has a TBN around 10 also

At the time of writing I wanted a 5w30 for my Toyota. Penrite's product selector suggested this to be the best fit and it say this about the oil

Full synthetic engine oil for use in the latest generation of high performance engines. Ideal where this viscosity or SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 oils are recommended. Particularly suited for engines with variable valve timing as well as where ILSAC GF-3/GF-4/GF-5 and ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 fuel economy oils are called for.
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4, Ford M2C-912A/913A/B/153G/H, MB-Approval 229.5, BMW LL-01 Approved, JASO MA1

Now thats sounds perfectly suited to the car but it is a heavy 40 grade oil! not an energy conserving oil at all.

 

[Hendo]

What Toyota is it for? did you want an energy conserving oil? I know Penrite does an range of eco oils too if thats what you want.

Anglomoil is an Australian company who distributes mainly to trades, though we can also call a distributor and have oil delivered, I get it by the 20l. link: http://www.anglomoil.com/

Check out the roadmaster VW, its full ester and heaps of the SR20 racers/drifters use it. Its more expensive ($65ish/5l) but much cheaper than say, motul 300v ($100/4l)

 

[dparm]

That Roadmaster VW is rather unimpressive from the spec sheet.

 

[Hendo]

I agree that the TBN and additive levels seem low, It's hard to know what esters are being used and if that offsets the low levels of additives.

I'm going off info from this source http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=459012 where they use this oil in racing and therefore a high TBN is less critical

 

[dparm]

There's no MSDS. How do we know it is full of ester? Are there any UOAs to show this oil is worth the money? 300V is used by a lot of racers...

 

[Ranchu]

I've been running HPR-5 in my Volvo for the last ~10,000klm and it seems to like it. I'm switching to Delo 400 at the next change which I'm hoping will silence the cold start valvetrain tick.

 

[supercity]

Originally Posted By: Shannow


As to the Repco/Penrite link, I'm suspicious, as you say because they don't sell those grades under their own brand name.


It looks like they do now

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/products/engine-oils-~-automotive/pro-workshop-/pro_10

http://www.penriteoil.com.au/pis_pdfs/6PRO ENGINE OILS 5 & 10 Aug 2012.pdf

The Repco product is SM rated though, maybe that will change as stock runs out.

I see Penrite has updated their "everyday mineral" Ilsac grades from SL boasting "full zinc" to SN "advanced"

 

[fdcg27]

What temperature range are you looking at?
What will you run it in?
The 5W-40s sold in the US are mostly dual use fleet oils and are rather thick.
The only exception I can think of is Castrol Syntec 5W-40.
If you don't see really low morning temperatures and your engine has this grade within its recommendations, I don't see why you couldn't use it.
This oil could be a really good value.

 

[supercity]

This HPR 5w40 is group 3. I've heard Penrite use Shell base oil, would that make it Shell XHVI? VI is 174

 

[uart]

Originally Posted By: supercity

At the time of writing I wanted a 5w30 for my Toyota. Penrite's product selector suggested this (HP5) to be the best fit and it say this about the oil

Full synthetic engine oil for use in the latest generation of high performance engines. Ideal where this viscosity or SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 oils are recommended. Particularly suited for engines with variable valve timing as well as where ILSAC GF-3/GF-4/GF-5 and ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 fuel economy oils are called for.
Key Specifications: API SN/CF, ACEA A3/B4, Ford M2C-912A/913A/B/153G/H, MB-Approval 229.5, BMW LL-01 Approved, JASO MA1

Now thats sounds perfectly suited to the car but it is a heavy 40 grade oil! not an energy conserving oil at all.


Now that's a perfect example of why I'm not much of a Penrite fan (which, apparently, is a statement close to blasphemy here in Australia

).

It's marketing spiel like this that really bugs me. Where they say "Particularly suited for ... ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5 fuel economy oils ..." and YET it doesn't even meet those ratings! It's a fairly heavy 40 weight with a 100C K-V of 15 cSt. This is shamefully misleading marketing from Penrite in my opinion!