Pennzoil Claims Formulation of Platinum Changed to Reflect New 15,000-mile Guarantee On Bottle

[john_pifer]

I was curious about the current formulation of Pennzoil Platinum, since I took advantage of the $25 rebate and ordered 10 quarts of the 5W-30, some of which I used for the first oil change on the new 2024 Odyssey, so, using the link on the Pennzoil website, I emailed Shell Technical Support Helpdesk with 2 questions:

1. What's the HTHS value of Pennzoil Platinum 5W-30 (SP version)?

2. Has the formulation changed to reflect the new 15,000-mile guarantee on the bottles?

"Justin" from the USA Technical Helpdesk replied.

The answer to the HTHS question:

Hi John,



Thank you for contacting Shell Technical.



Due to an NDA with our suppliers, we are not allowed to disclose HTHS values. Rest assured as this product is API SP rated, it is within acceptable values.

As for the question about the formulation, he did not answer it in the first email. I had to email him back and ask again, to which he replied,

"Yes."

 

[Jpc1623]

Thanks for doing that

 

[Danh]

Odd comment about HTHS. What next - cSt, pour point? And isn’t the supplier, well, Shell?

 

[Thermo1223]

How is HTHS now protected info that even Shell won't tell you.

 

[MalibuRam65]

Hmmmmm something seems fishy smh

 

[BornSlippy]

Hmmmmm something seems fishy smh

You may be right. The SDS which was updated in November shows "Long chain Furan". Seems to be some sort of ester, which CAN be sourced from fish oil.

 

[john_pifer]

You may be right. The SDS which was updated in November shows "Long chain Furan". Seems to be some sort of ester, which CAN be sourced from fish oil.

Wouldn’t that show in a VOA as a higher oxidation value?

 

[The Lube Guy]

Castrol beat everyone...

 

[wemay]

Thanks for sharing this information, OP.

 

[kschachn]

I’m not sure how much I’d care if I did care. As they note the range of allowable HT/HS values is constrained by the grade, and beyond that any ILSAC resource conserving grade will be at the low end.

If a particular HT/HS is critical to someone’s choice then either purchase it from a blender that publishes the value (while remembering it’s a typical value) or go for an oil with a European approval or ACEA Sequence with a higher minimum.

 

[john_pifer]

How is HTHS now protected info that even Shell won't tell you.

Could also be the specific individual who responded.

It is hard to believe that no one there would tell me what the HTHS is.

 

[john_pifer]

I’m not sure how much I’d care if I did care. As they note the range of allowable HT/HS values is constrained by the grade, and beyond that any ILSAC resource conserving grade will be at the low end.

If a particular HT/HS is critical to someone’s choice then either purchase it from a blender that publishes the value (while remembering it’s a typical value) or go for an oil with a European approval or ACEA Sequence with a higher minimum.

It’s just a curiosity thing for me.

 

[benjy]

usually if anything might show something not as good, manufactures hide behind the "confidential" thing!! tests MUST be done for certs BUT!!

 

[wemay]

Looks like it was discussed here too...

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/pennzoil-platinum-15k-mile-or-1yr.382044/

 

[BornSlippy]

Wouldn’t that show in a VOA as a higher oxidation value?

At 0.9% wouldn't move the needle much.

 

[MalibuRam65]

We need Transparency from these oil companies **** it

 

[dubber09]

Do they say in small print some place oil needs to be changed as per car's manual anyway? Marketing isht just makes them look less intelligent... but, majority of WM shoppers will get very excited thou

 

[wpod]

Do they say in small print some place oil needs to be changed as per car's manual anyway? Marketing isht just makes them look less intelligent... but, majority of WM shoppers will get very excited thou

Marketing works really good. How often do we have people regurgitating the marketing claims when referring to an oil or other products?

 

[goingplacesanddoingstuff]

I am half a mind to look up their product managers on LinkedIn and ask them directly lol.

 

[bluesubie]

It is hard to believe that no one there would tell me what the HTHS is.

Not IMO. It seems that HTHS values are being posted less and less by the majors these days.