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Originally posted by GROUCHO MARX:
Bill, buster's killing me
So, Let me get this correct Buster..
I want high count UOAs!
Ok..
I'll let Terry know since he reads alot of my low count UOAs and says they are great..
Take care, Bill
Pennzoil 5w-30 Dino Toyota 1.8l 4,910 miles
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So, Let me get this correct Buster..
I want high count UOAs!
Ok..
I'll let Terry know since he reads alot of my low count UOAs and says they are great..
Take care, Bill
Bill, I am very pleased to see yet another great UOA from an inexpensive oil.
My grandfather used to make the claim of walking to school, up hill, both ways. I think that you may be traveling on the other side of his road. You know, down hill, both ways. I am curious about how many of those 4,910 miles were coasting, engine off.
Just kidding, obviously great report.
My grandfather used to make the claim of walking to school, up hill, both ways. I think that you may be traveling on the other side of his road. You know, down hill, both ways. I am curious about how many of those 4,910 miles were coasting, engine off.
Just kidding, obviously great report.
The oil might not be showing all of the wear that is actually occurring. That was the point but obviously some on here have no clue.
Do you really think $20 UOA's tell the whole story?
If it were that easy....
XOM has said that when switching to a high detergent oil or ester based oil wear metals can spike bc the oil is keeping things in suspension rather then floathing around the engine.
Do you really think $20 UOA's tell the whole story?
XOM has said that when switching to a high detergent oil or ester based oil wear metals can spike bc the oil is keeping things in suspension rather then floathing around the engine.
ya, let's do one of those $1000 oil breakdown test. that will make alot of sense.quote:
Originally posted by buster:
Do you really think $20 UOA's tell the whole story?If it were that easy....
XOM has said that when switching to a high detergent oil or ester based oil wear metals can spike bc the oil is keeping things in suspension rather then floathing around the engine.
What is really remarkable about this UOA is that you added absolutely nothing to the cheap Penzoil dino. Stellar report without the fancy chemicals.
Why would one consider a 20 weight oil if the 5W-30 thins out in 20 weight territory anyway? Would the 5W-20 then thin in the 7 Cst range?
GMorg is maybe kidding but you may have a point;
Bill, where is your workplace from your house? If it is located to the east, with dominant westerly winds in our latitudes, you may actually be driving with a tail wind most of the time to get to work but face only calm winds on your way back at 2 AM as winds are usually very light at night on days with no particular weather systems. Just a thought.
Why would one consider a 20 weight oil if the 5W-30 thins out in 20 weight territory anyway? Would the 5W-20 then thin in the 7 Cst range?
GMorg is maybe kidding but you may have a point;
Bill, where is your workplace from your house? If it is located to the east, with dominant westerly winds in our latitudes, you may actually be driving with a tail wind most of the time to get to work but face only calm winds on your way back at 2 AM as winds are usually very light at night on days with no particular weather systems. Just a thought.
Bill,
1. Congrats on your UOA report, they just don't get better than that.
2. All that near-nonexistant wear, and over 40 mpg too?!? I'm jealous, my antique Neon only gets 35-36 mpg at its best.
3. *400* qts of 5w30 oil? Holy cow!
4. As far as shearing into a 20W, with wear #'s like that, who cares?
You have several different brands of 5w30, yes? Maybe you can trade some of it for 5w30 Pennzoil! I abused that oil badly in my car(11.5 K, 13mo), & it still performed well.
1. Congrats on your UOA report, they just don't get better than that.
2. All that near-nonexistant wear, and over 40 mpg too?!? I'm jealous, my antique Neon only gets 35-36 mpg at its best.
3. *400* qts of 5w30 oil? Holy cow!
4. As far as shearing into a 20W, with wear #'s like that, who cares?
You have several different brands of 5w30, yes? Maybe you can trade some of it for 5w30 Pennzoil! I abused that oil badly in my car(11.5 K, 13mo), & it still performed well.
Yeah, I think the UOA is pretty good.
I agree, with UOAs like this one, it can shear to 10wt and I really would not care.
The car gets excellent MPG!
Just think what It would get if I ran Syn!
I just wanted to do a run with the following; (since I get some comments about this)
1. Wanted just pure Dino of one brand. It had to be the 2nd run of it so there was no change of the last oil messing with the results.
2. No additives. No LC, No FP, No injector cleaner, zip.
3. Prefer a colder time of year since it's harder on the oil for startups and thats when the wear happens.
4. Quite a bit of short trips in the mix. Short like less than 2 miles at a time.
Got all those covered.
Have not taken inventory yet. But I'm prob in the 350-400 5w-30 range.. Rest would be 10w-30.
The next UOA will be either QS, Chevron or Halovine. I've got enough Castrol UOAs.
The Pennzoil did well! I have a little bit of it left
I drive to the north on the way to work (and had high winds today, (Blew trailers on their sides right in front of me!) and then south. The winds here go up the Canyons durning the day and reverse at night. So I get side winds more of the time. At 2 am, the one canyon is getting 20-25mph winds pretty well every night..
I don't think it's making too much change of MPG.
I just drive it around 70 mph which is 2800 RPM on cruise the whole way.
Buy the cheapest gas from a station that sells alot of gas ($2.59 tonight and will be $2.69 this am.. How do I know? Because every other station in town went up to $2.69
I'm really happy with this car.
Buster, if it made some Redline, GC, Mobil 1 look good then they are showing how good the oil is doing.
If it's for a cheap conventional oil, then you get what you pay for... $20 UOA could not be worth anything..
I've seen these comments here on this board more than once..
I'm very happy with this UOA. It's proving that I am doing great with my oil and engine use.
Thanks all for your replies! Bill
Anything to justify the fact that oil costing 50 cents compared to 4 or 5 bucks a quart did great.quote:
Originally posted by buster:
The oil might not be showing all of the wear that is actually occurring. That was the point but obviously some on here have no clue.
Do you really think $20 UOA's tell the whole story?If it were that easy....
If UOA don't show all the wear, I cringe at how much wear is actually in some of the Mobil 1 and Redline results that have been posted
I'm not trying to be an jerk Buster, but come on! I thought it was the cleaning affect
Where's Fueltankerman to really stir up the pot!
Uh, conventional Pennzoil, Quaker State, Castrol, Chevron, Havoline, etc, etc, etc, has just as much detergents and dispersants in it as anything XOM makes. They are all classified high detergent oils. It is these detergents and dispersants that keeps things in suspension and it keeps them "floating" around which is what you want. What you don't want is for the particals to settle and collect. No base stock including esters will do this by itself. You have to add the detergents and dispersants.
"Buster, if it made some Redline, GC, Mobil 1 look good then they are showing how good the oil is doing.
If it's for a cheap conventional oil, then you get what you pay for... $20 UOA could not be worth anything..
I've seen these comments here on this board more than once..
I'm very happy with this UOA. It's proving that I am doing great with my oil and engine use."
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Bill, if it's not expensive, it's no good. Haven't you gotten the memo?
If it's for a cheap conventional oil, then you get what you pay for... $20 UOA could not be worth anything..
I've seen these comments here on this board more than once..
I'm very happy with this UOA. It's proving that I am doing great with my oil and engine use."
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Bill, if it's not expensive, it's no good. Haven't you gotten the memo?
Groucho, Your killing me!
Additionally, I would guess that according to buster, Terry's interpretations are voodoo.
Thanks Johnny!
Buster, No problem.
It's just that when there is a UOA like above for a 5k run of Mobil 1 or GC or whatever, it's magic.
I really wanted to make sure that this UOA was ONLY the oil.
Nothing else so others would comment " look it's the xxx you put in sure made that cheap conventional oil do good "...
Take care! Bill
BTW Bill, your car sure made this cheap dino oil look good.
Congratulations Bill, great report.
A well built engine driven gently (for MPGs) with 97% of the miles on the highway. Approximately 27 miles/cold start. Looks like easy service to me.
A well built engine driven gently (for MPGs) with 97% of the miles on the highway. Approximately 27 miles/cold start. Looks like easy service to me.
"Oh, and the girlfriend is doing great. Thanks for asking"
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I asked? I think I implied.
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I asked? I think I implied.
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