I agree but what's with the low additive levels these days with the Pennzoil synthetics? Moly is low and boron is nearly nonexistent. Yet the results are great. I've been using SOPUS oils for awhile and am happy with their performance but have to say that the add packs (at least for this type of analysis)have been significantly reduced (including the Ultra). Did I see someone mention that some of this happened because of the new SN standard?...is this SN? (is SN PP available yet?). I just changed out the Honda with Quaker State Ultimate Durability (SN...we'll see how THAT looks after 5,000 miles or so).