Oversize plug and play substitute for FL-500S?

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Coming from Honda/Acura and Infiniti cars, I am accustomed to the easy interchangeability of the PL141610 and the PL14612. Now that I am in an F-150 with 3.5 Ecoboost, I am wondering if any similar swaps are possible. A proper google search of this site didn't provide an easy answer, but did lead me to a Mustang thread where the poster changed out the crossover from Metric (500S) to the older English fitting on the FL-1A.

Would anything be gained by searching for a substitute? I am leaning towards a Fram Ultra, which would give me the same "headroom" in the same size filter spec if I can't find an upsized version.
 
Any reason why you would look to skip the motorcraft filter in the first place for your Ford?
 
No specific reason. Here are some possibilities:
1) Easier to buy filter at Walmart (laziness)
2) wanting to try something different (BITOGyness)
3) wanting to find the most efficiency or most overkill for the engine...
4)America

I will likely use many different kinds over the life of the vehicle.
 
Generally I would agree that any alternate filter appropriately selected would probably work fine. Overall, I understand the "BITOGyness" mantra ...

But I'll give you one solid reason why not:
You risk the consternation of warranty in case of a claim. Ford cannot outright deny a claim if you use a non-approved filter, but they can defer a claim until such investigation would show fault one way or another. And that could take MONTHS of stonewalling, etc. On top of that, most any filter maker will ALSO defer a warranty claim for not using an "approved" application, for their part of the investigation. So while all this is going on, and you're without a vehicle that you're still paying on, you get to sit and wonder if that "unapproved" venture was really worth it. If you select an alternate filter that is not approved for your application, it does not automatically infer that your warranty is void. But what it does is shift the burden of proof unto you, and away from them. So now you have to prove in litigation that your selection had merit; that your filter was properly spec'd. Do you have mounds of data and reams of papers to show that your gut-choice was a sound one? Because when they walk into the room, they are going to have all that, and lawyers, and that is after MONTHS of stalling and legal mumbo-jumbo via letters.

Now, I'm being specific to approved applications and not to brands. Any brand recommendation that you follow that is "approved" should suffice just fine with little risk. What I am saying is using a filter that is not approved by the OEM or the filter maker is a risk; a big risk to warranty. You may (not will, but may) succeed, but it would be after months and months of PITB efforts.

You need to read and understand the M/M act regarding warranties. They protect the warrantor just as much as they protect the warrantee. And case law over the years favors those who can show proof. That burden of proof shifts from them to you, once you venture off the reservation.

All because you were feeling a bit BITOGy.
Caveot Emptor.
 
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Thanks for the common sense talk. I know I can get my geek on with approved filters for at least the warranty period. If the large majority of trucks are surviving(arguably thriving when it comes to MC) on OEM filters, there isn't much to be worried about.

Since my time matters to me more than the cost of the supplies, I'll be simply keeping an eye open for coupons and deals on the approved filters.

Ironically, even the approved filters are a pretty tough find and are apparently low volume sellers locally. Pep Boys didn't have the Mobil 1 equivalent and a local WalMart still had the Xtended Guard filter XG10575. I haven't seen a PureOne yet.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
2) wanting to try something different (BITOGyness)


Ha ha new word for the day. And I totally get it, it is what it is. I haven't run a "spec" filter on my Jeep in nearly 10k but I don't have warranty concerns either.

Plenty of spec filters for you to play with until the day comes when warranty is no longer a concern.
 
All this being said, does anyone have a better source than the local Ford dealer for filters? The best price I've found so far is from one of my local dealers. Cheaper prices can be found online, but shipping kills the advantage.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite

Would anything be gained by searching for a substitute? I am leaning towards a Fram Ultra, which would give me the same "headroom" in the same size filter spec if I can't find an upsized version.


Why not just run the FRAM Ultra that's called out for that engine? The Ultra is rated at 15K FCI under normal driving conditions. It's full synthetic media, so it will also flow better. Both of these features essentially make it act like a bigger non-synthetic media filter.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Coprolite

Would anything be gained by searching for a substitute? I am leaning towards a Fram Ultra, which would give me the same "headroom" in the same size filter spec if I can't find an upsized version.


Why not just run the FRAM Ultra that's called out for that engine? The Ultra is rated at 15K FCI under normal driving conditions. It's full synthetic media, so it will also flow better. Both of these features essentially make it act like a bigger non-synthetic media filter.


That is what I basically meant by that statement and what will likely happen. Thanks for translating it for people.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Coprolite

Would anything be gained by searching for a substitute? I am leaning towards a Fram Ultra, which would give me the same "headroom" in the same size filter spec if I can't find an upsized version.


Why not just run the FRAM Ultra that's called out for that engine? The Ultra is rated at 15K FCI under normal driving conditions. It's full synthetic media, so it will also flow better. Both of these features essentially make it act like a bigger non-synthetic media filter.


That is what I basically meant by that statement and what will likely happen. Thanks for translating it for people.


Now I know what you meant my "same headroom". How big is the called out filter for that engine (dia and length)? Also, sometimes different filter manufacturers will have different sized filters called out for the same engine.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
All this being said, does anyone have a better source than the local Ford dealer for filters? The best price I've found so far is from one of my local dealers. Cheaper prices can be found online, but shipping kills the advantage.



Advance Auto for $5.99 less P20 online code = $4.79. Pick up in your local store, assuming that you have AA in Texas.

OT: I put one of these filters on my father's Chevy Traverse because it crossed with the XG10575, and just so I could give him a hard time about a Ford product on his Chevy.
 
Z06- Headroom was referring to Efficiency and hopefully better flow (less differential psi). Basically I was using it as a catch all for any improvement over the minimum spec of the FL500S.

Unfortunately, no Advance Auto locally.

I am going to shop for a filter cutter and post autopsies of the filters as I run then. Besides the mess, is it feasible to measure the media area after it is run?
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
Z06- Headroom was referring to Efficiency and hopefully better flow (less differential psi). Basically I was using it as a catch all for any improvement over the minimum spec of the FL500S.

Unfortunately, no Advance Auto locally.

I am going to shop for a filter cutter and post autopsies of the filters as I run then. Besides the mess, is it feasible to measure the media area after it is run?


Walmart may have the Ultra filter you need. I always measure the media area after I cut open a filter. Gives me a baseline, and also determines if the manufacturer is decreasing media with time on the same filter.

All you need to do is measure the pleat depth, width and number of pleats. No need to cut the media out and lay it out flat.

Media Area = (Pleat Depth x 2) x Pleat Width x # of Pleats.

Have to multiply the pleat depth times 2 to account for both sides of a full pleat.

Example:
Pleat Depth - 1/2"
Pleat Width = 4"
# of Pleats = 50

Media Area = (0.5" x 2) x 4" x 50 = 200 sq-in

You will find that full synthetic media filters will seem to have less media area. As Jim Allen pointed out, full synthetic media is more "3-dimensional", and you can't really compare it directly to non-synthetic media in terms of effective surface area.
 
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
All this being said, does anyone have a better source than the local Ford dealer for filters? The best price I've found so far is from one of my local dealers. Cheaper prices can be found online, but shipping kills the advantage.



My local Advance, Autozone and Pep Boys, and O'Reilly all carry the FL-500S. I'd guess as there get to be more Fords on the road that use it, Walmart will eventually start carrying them.
 
Ironically, Walmart carries the Xtended guard and ultra guard at less than a dollar difference.

I tracked down the Pepboys P1 bogo, so I am going to swing by this weekend to see if they honor it. I have $10 pep boy debit from a rebate, so I can get 2 P1 for about $.82 or 4 for $11+

I am actually looking forward to either the P1 (out of tradition) and the Fram. I might just get 2 p1 so that the team will happen sooner.
 
I have now been to Pepboys three times. No filters in stock. I asked the guy last weekend about restocking the empty slot. He said the truck comes on Tuesday. I called around 6 today, the guy checked the shelf and came back to say that the shelf is full. I went just before 8. The stock of P1 filters looks identical to how it looked over the weekend. 1-2 of each filter except for my own.

It is things like this that will drive me away from Pepboys. Maybe it is god saying that I should use an Ultra Guard.
 
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