I was wondering this other day. What oil do other countries like European and Asian countries get that we American folks don’t? It seems Australia and New Zealand get some interesting oils also.
Oils in other countries.
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The grass is always greener on the other side.
I wish I could buy American lubricants at the supermarket over here in Germany
I wish I could buy American lubricants at the supermarket over here in Germany
Petronas and Penrite come to mind immediately
The Europeans seem to have higher standards for there oils. I am using a European oil and I think it is better than the American speced oil I was using.
I wish i could get M1 15W-50 ...
Then there's the price of oil in America, less than half price vs Europe.
Then there's the price of oil in America, less than half price vs Europe.
a lot depends on the oils specs!! mobil 1 15-50 is NOT a real synthetic PAO as it once was + looking at Penrites offerings it would prolly be my choice. on another note our government in USA allows MORE toxic ingredients in foods so like oil brands the contents can vary depending what the buyer WANTS the blender to put in the container! USA has some great oils but you WILL pay more for better oils like HPL lubes, its all about the $$$$$ as usual!!
Rowe makes great oils in EU, and have one of the most advanced blending factory in EU.
Only in Germany, in the rest of Europe and the world, Group 3 is enough to be called synthetic.
Yes, basically it's just a different naming convention because of several law suits.
To call an oil synthetic (vollsynthetisch) here in Germany, it must be 100% group 4 oils.
If it is a blend with group 3 oils it is called "teilsynthetisch" (part-synthetic) or some marketing speak like "Premiumöl" or "Hochleistungsöl".
Regarding the price, a synthetic oil over here goes for about 12-17ish bucks a quart.
not 100% group 4. Think its between 70-80%.
A lot of the machinery I buy from Europe, tends to come with Fuchs Oils.
There is not a single oil on the market that is 100% PAO, simply because for example PAO has poor solubility, so it's always mixed with some Group III or Ester just so the additives dissolve properly.
I am pretty sure the legal requirement in Germany is +70% but not 100%.
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Note it says "Group IV and higher", which means AN's and esters are included, it's not just PAO.
Also, I believe the legal requirement is 70-80%, I found one of the court cases on this a few years ago and shared it here. This allows for lower group carrier oils and the like. And of course the additive package and its carrier along with VII's take up around 15% of the mix as well.
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It's not my opinion, I just quoted that Wikipedia article,
and it it says, made of "entirely of polyalphaolefinic or dicarboxylic acid ester base oils "
and it it says, made of "entirely of polyalphaolefinic or dicarboxylic acid ester base oils "
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The first line that you quoted says:
In Germany, an engine oil may only be called "synthetic" if it has been produced exclusively with oils of base oil class IV and higher, plus additives.
"And higher" includes anything in Group V, which means AN's and Esters. The "plus additives" part is because engine oils aren't just the base oils, the additives including VII's, the DI package...etc take up to ~15% of the product.
Here's my previous post on the matter:
Are There Any "Fully Synthetic" Engine Oils...
Statement of the year. Kind of like cooking... It's not just a singular ingredient that makes a food extremely good. It is a combination of many different ingredients coming together, melding together that makes many finished cooked foods turn out amazing.
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Relevant bit from the cited court case (translation isn't great):
7. The applicant has requested to condemn the defendant to refrain from the fact that the business "oil-ethical," 50-95, 5W 30 "as a" south-synthetic "to apply and / or appropriate engine oils to be used, and unlike the engine, which is not actually a motor oil with a PAO content of at least 70%.
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