Oil for Seat Leon Cupra 2.0T FSI

[Tommiee]

Bitog friends,

So i have traded in my '01 VW Lupo GTI for a 60k mile '07 Seat Leon Cupra, amazing car to drive.

Managed to get in contact with the previous owner, who told me that he replaced the engine ( blown because of a broken spark plug ) @ 30k. the replacement engine is from a MK6 GOLF R20, engine code CDL. the R20 engine had 6k miles on it when it was swapped.

The CDL engine has different, stronger Pistons, rods, cams and other components compaired to the normal TFSI 2.0 engines. This engine is also found in the Audi S3, Seat leon Cupra R, Audi TTS, Golf GTI ED35 and Scirocco R.

Engine mods are: Autotech high pressure fuel pump, Full milltek turboback with 3 inch downpipe with 200 cell cat, HG motorsport intake. HG motorsport turbo outlet, BSH revamp PCV blockoff plate, Audi S3 intercooler.

Too bad i found out she uses quite some oil. 1 quart every 800-1000 miles. Going to check some things out friday ( Valve covers known to be faulty ) hopefully it isn't the turbo seals. I don't think it will be the piston rings because the CDL engine has improved pistons without the fauly rings.

Changed the oil out 600 miles ago with Total Quarts 9000 5w40, what i still had left from the lupo.

Want to change out the oil within 2000 miles to give the engine a bit of extra cleaning, but first want to find out the cause of oil usage, will do compression test if i can't find anything.

I have made a list of oils that are approved and i can get fairly cheap, please help me decide! and if you have any tips about the oil consumption, please share them with me.



0w30


Shell 0W30 AV-L
Spezifikationen und Freigaben: ACEA C3; VW 504.00 / 507.00


Castrol EDGE 0W-30 TITANIUM FST
Spezifikationen & Freigaben:
ACEA C3
API SN
BMW Longlife-04
dexos2®*
MB-Freigabe 229.31/ 229.51
Renault RN 0700 / RN 0710
VW 502 00 / 505 00
(*GM dexos2®: ersetzt GM-LL-B-025 and GM-LL-A-025 : GB2C0923082)

Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30
Spezifikationen / Freigaben

Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 erfüllt oder übertrifft die Anforderungen von:
ACEA C2, C3

Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 hat von den folgenden Herstellern Zulassungen/Freigaben:
BMW Longlife-04
MB-Approval 229.31
MB-Approval 229.51
MB-Approval 229.52

Shell Helix Ultra ECT C2/C3 0W-30
Spezifikationen, Freigaben und Empfehlungen

ACEA C2/C3
API SN
Volkswagen VW 504.00/507.00
Mercedes Benz MB-Freigabe 229.52, 229.51, 229.31
Erfüllt die Anforderungen von FIAT 9.55535-GS1 und 9.55535-DS1
Porsche C30

Total Quartz 9000 Energy 0W-30
Spezifikationen und Freigaben:

ACEA A3 / B4
API SL / CF
Mercedes-Benz MB-Freigabe 229.5
Rückwärts kompatibel:
Mercedes-Benz MB-Freigabe 229.3
Volkswagen VW Volkswagen VW 502 00 / 505 00


0w40

Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40
pezifikationen / Freigaben
Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 erfüllt oder übertrifft die Anforderungen von:
API SN / SM / SL / SJ
ACEA A3 / B3, A3 / B4
Nissan GT-R
AAE (STO 003) Group B6

Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 hat von den folgenden Herstellern Zulassungen:
Mercedes-Benz MB-Freigabe 229.3; MB-Freigabe 229.5
BMW LONGLIFE OIL 01
Volkswagen VW 502 00/505 00
PORSCHE A40
AVTOVAZ LADA cars

Mobil 1 New Life 0W-40 wird von ExxonMobil für den Einsatz in folgenden Anwendungen empfohlen:
API CF
VW 503 01
SAAB
OPEL GM-LL-A-025; GM-LL-B-025
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - M2
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - N2
FIAT FIAT 9.55535 - Z2

Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40
Spezifikationen& Freigaben:
API SN/CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
MB-Freigabe 229.5, 226.5
VW 502.00/505.00
Porsche A40
Renault RN0700, RN0710
Erfüllt die Anforderungen von Fiat 9.55535-Z2

5w30


Castrol EDGE 5W-30 LL TITANIUM FST
Spezifikationen und Freigaben:
ACEA C3
Mercedes Benz MB-Freigabe 229.31 / 229.51
Porsche C30
Volkswagen VW 504 00/ 507.00

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30
Spezifikationen / Freigaben
Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 besitzt die Freigaben der nachstehenden Hersteller:
BMW Longlife 04
Mercedes-Benz MB-Freigabe 229.31 / 229.51
Volkswagen (Benzin/Diesel) 504 00 / 507 00
Porsche C30
Chrysler MS-11106
Peugeot/Citroën Kraftfahrzeuge B71 2290
B71 2297
AVTOVAZ LADA cars

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 erfüllt oder übertrifft die Anforderungen von:
ACEA C2, C3
API (erfüllt Motoren-Testanforderungen) SM / SN
JASO DL-1
AAE (STO 003) Group B6

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30 entspricht gem. ExxonMobil folgendem Qualitätsniveau bzw. wird für folgende Anwendungen empfohlen:
API CF
Volkswagen (Benzin) 502 00 / 503 00 / 503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00 / 505 01 / 506 00 / 506 01
Alle VW-Motoren mit Ausnahme von Pumpe-Düse-TDI ohne Longlife Service und ohne DPF zwischen 1999-2003 und R5/V10-TDi vor dem Modelljahr 2006

Total Quartz Ineo LongLife Motoröl 5W-30
Freigaben:
ACEA C3
VW 504.00/507.00 (universal oil for Volkswagen, Audi, Seat, Skoda)
BMW LL-04, Backward compatible with BMW LL-01 (for BMW, Mini)
MB-Approval 229.51, Backward compatible wirh MB-Approval 229.31 (for MB,Smart)
Porsche C30


5w40

Castrol EDGE Turbo Diesel 5W-40 TITANIUM FST
Spezifikationen:
ACEA C3
API SN/CF
Freigaben:
Volkswagen VW 502 00/ 505 00 / 505 01
BMW BMW Longlife-04
Mercedes-Benz MB-Approval 229.31/ 229.51/ 226.5
Ford Meets Ford WSS-M2C917-A
Renault RN0700/0710
Fiat Meets Fiat 9.55535-S2
Opel GM GM dexos2 (rückwärtskompatibel zu GM LL-A-025 oder LL-B-025)


Total Quartz 9000 Energy 5W-40 ( current oil )
Spezifikationen/Freigaben:
ACEA: A3/B4
API: SM/CF

MB-Approval 229.5 rückwärts kompatibel 229.3 + 229.1
BMW LL01 rückwärs kompatibel BMW LL98
VW 502.00/505.00 rückwärts kompatibel VW 501.01+505.00
Porsche A40

Castrol GTX High Mileage 5W-40
Spezifikationen/Freigaben:
API SM/CF
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
MB-Freigabe 229.3
VW 502 00/ 505 00
BMW Longlife-01

Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W-40 Motoröl
obil Super 3000 X1 5W-40 erfüllt oder übertrifft die Anforderungen von:
API SM
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
Qualitätsniveau API CF
Mobil Super 3000 X1 5W-40 hat von den folgenden Herstellern Zulassungen:
Opel GM-LL-B-025
Mercedes Benz MB Freigabe 229.3
Volkswagen VW 502 00 / 505 00
Porsche Porsche A 40
BMW BMW Longlife 01
Renault Renault RN0710

Shell Helix Ultra 5W-40
pezifikationen:
API SN / CF
CEA A3 / B3 / B4
Freigaben:
BMW BMW LongLife 01
Mercedes-Benz MB-Freigabe 229.5
Volkswagen VW 502 00 / 505 00
Porsche Porsche A40
Renault RN 0700 / RN 0710
Ferrari Ferrari
Erfüllt die Anforderungen von Fiat 9.55535-Z2

Liqui Moly Synthoil High Tech 5W-40
Spezifikationen und Freigaben:
ACEA A3 · ACEA B4
API CF · API SM

LIQUI MOLY empfiehlt dieses Produkt zusätzlich für Fahrzeuge, für die folgende Spezifikationen gefordert werden:
BMW Longlife-98
MB 229.3
Porsche A40
VW 502 00/505 00

Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40
Freigaben:
ACEA A3-08/B4-08 ; API SM/CF ; BMW Longlife-01 ; MB-Freigabe 229.5 ; Porsche A40 ; Renault RN 0700 ; Renault RN 0710 ; VW 502.00 / 505.00

Aral HighTronic 5W-40
Spezifikationen & Freigaben
ACEA C3
API SN/CF

BMW Longlife-04
Opel dexos2®*
Meets Fiat 9.55535-S2
Meets Ford WSS-M2C917-A
Mercedes Benz MB-Freigabe 226.5/ 229.31/ 229.51
Porsche A40
Renault RN 0700 / RN 0710
Volkswagen VW 502 00/ 505 00/ 505 01

 

[chrisri]

Those engines use oil by default. Do you wish to use 504/507 or 502 specification oils?

 

[FCD]

SHU 5W-40 would be my choice.

 

[Tommiee]

Originally Posted By: chrisri
Those engines use oil by default. Do you wish to use 504/507 or 502 specification oils?


As explained above, the CDL version of this engine doesn't use oil by default ( updated pistons + rings ), and a quart per 1k miles is way too much.

what would you advise, 504/507 or 502? The Shell 0w30 AV-L seems appealing because it's designed special for that 504/507 specification only

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
SHU 5W-40 would be my choice.


That oil is available at a great price, just as some others in my list. do you know if it's full synt?

 

[FCD]

Yes Shell Helix Ultra is a full synthetic.

 

[UG_Passat]

pick a 5w40.

And inspect (and probably replace) your cam follower every 10,000 miles.

 

[Tommiee]

thanks guys, did cam follower with last oil change, old one looked fine but since i got the pump off i placed a new one anyway

 

[slybunda]

Known oil burners and sludgers those engines. Id just use the cheapest oil going. At the rate its using oil it will have done a full oil change before you need to do an oil change.

 

[Jetronic]

Originally Posted By: Tommiee
Originally Posted By: chrisri
Those engines use oil by default. Do you wish to use 504/507 or 502 specification oils?


As explained above, the CDL version of this engine doesn't use oil by default ( updated pistons + rings ), and a quart per 1k miles is way too much.

what would you advise, 504/507 or 502? The Shell 0w30 AV-L seems appealing because it's designed special for that 504/507 specification only

Originally Posted By: FordCapriDriver
SHU 5W-40 would be my choice.


That oil is available at a great price, just as some others in my list. do you know if it's full synt?


I would look for an engine code or serial that confirms the engine is what you were told...

 

[Tommiee]

It does have the engine code stamped on it. that's why i contacted the previous owner, i bought it from a car trader and weeks later i found out about the engine code, wanted to know why ect. so contacted the previous owner via facebook, his name and adress was on invoices that were in the car.

 

[Jetronic]

in that case I'd go with the Aral or castrol in 0w-40 form if you can find it. no doubt easy to find online. the ester/PAO formulation will help clean up the ring pack, but you'll need several fairly short oil runs for that. If the problem is ring sticking, of course...

 

[Tommiee]

Thanks, was thinking about 0w40 myself too, can get a bit cold sometimes here.

Will shell helix ultra 0w40 do the trick? Much better price for me and better available.

Will add a can of Liqui Moly motor oil saver if i can't find the cause of consumption.

 

[Jetronic]

no I doubt dhell will do it. Not a bad oil, but it's entirely dependant on dispersants to give the oil solubility.

If you're in The Netherlands, another oil to consider is Gulf Formula G 0w-30, it's also an ester containing oil. Note that any other viscosity grade of that oil isn't! Esters, and group I minerals will give the highest solubility to remove any crud in the ring pack. Do a couple short oil runs, change the oil as it gets dark. I wouldn't change the filter for that though, just a drain and fill. If that works and oil consumption goes down, you can switch to shell helix ultra.

Don't put in any other additives just yet.

 

[Tommiee]

Going in the workshop tomorrow to check some things out, will do compression test if i can't find problems in the PCV system, turbo or valve cover. Piston rings are no common problem for this specific engine code, unlike other tfsi's, but it can ofcourse be possible.

 

[Jetronic]

well, I'm not saying they're bad, as then the oil wouldn't help. But with enough miles on long drain intervals any engine becomes susceptible to stuck oil control rings, and a turbo engine more so. in any event, the engine hasn't got enough miles on it to be worn, and a leaky turbo always shows with a smokey exhaust, in my experience.

 

[Tommiee]

So i opened her up today, valve cover was cracked inside, so it was probably sucking oil in from the cracks. Ordered a new cover, should be in tomorrow..

 

[Tommiee]

Nice and clean cams, looks like the cover has been loosened before, there was liquid seal everywhere. Cleaned that up nicely and will seal the new cover with a new, original gasket.

 

[UG_Passat]

yes, a cracked PCV system in the valve cover is a common issue.

 

[Tommiee]

hope it will reduce the consumption, car is going for a remap end of this month, will be changing the thermostat friday, stays just under the 90 degree celcius mark ( also a common issue for TFSI engines )

 

[Tommiee]

Fixed the thermostat today. [censored] of a job, took me about 4 hours, alternator and intake had to go off to reach the stat.. but we did id. Nice to have some new coolant in also.

Before the needle would stay just before 90 degree celsius, and Torque OBD readout says 74 real degrees celcius with dropping temps when ipressing clutch in..

Now the temp goes straight to 87 degrees and stay there no matter what. Needle exaclty @ 90