Oil additives

[TinTaxi]

Is there any feedback on a product called Hot Shot's Secrets? We want to try this in our 6.0 Lt Ford diesels. Sticion has been a concern and we are hoping this will resolve our issues. We are running Chevron Delo 400 LE Synthetic 5W-40 and are very happy with our UOA results.

 

[BigCahuna]

If your using a quality oil is there really a need to put a additive in it? It will drive up the cost of a oil service, with little proof it does anything.,

 

[JCC]

I like their website and video but haven't used the additive. I think the injector sticking is like sticking HLAs in gas engines. If you drive it every day the oil doesn't have as much trouble keeping the close fitting parts clean. If your truck sits for days after being worked hard then the Hot Shot's Secrets could be worth while, especially for keeping the injection even in all cylinders.

 

[gathermewool]

Oil, and oil only... If you want exotic, buy something more expensive. No need to play backyard chemist with any oil additive.

 

[Roadkingnc]

The latest and greatest software update for your six liters will help more than any additive it uses induction to preheat the injectors before starting. They gt the problems fixed on this engine and quit making it, the 6.4 replacement was a pain, the 6.7 trouble free so far.

 

[carwreck]

There is FORD TSB to reflash the FICM for "stiction".. http://www.flatratetech.com/downloads/diesel_2.pdf Per the forum ford-trucks forum, you should follow Ford's maintenance schedule for oil and fuel filter changes. http://www.flatratetech.com/downloads/diesel_6.pdf More discussion at http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/ __________________________________________________________ 1999 Olds GLS

 

[scurvy]

An additive to eliminate 'stiction' of the six leaker injectors... 100% of the time! I love websites like this one, full of official sounding technical jargon that's completely meaningless. It screams of a product in search of a solution, mostly on selling you what's already in your oil at twenty times its price. Caveat emptor.

 

[TinTaxi]

Thanks for the replies. What a great site. We are aware of Fords TSB's and the reflashes. These trucks run from Seattle to Alaska and we are having cold weather starting problems if we can not ensure they are plugged in at night. If there is no evidence of Hot Shots Secret causing any harm we will try it in a couple of 6.0 and report back in a few months.

 

[roadrunner1]

There is a product called Rev-X that, according to guys who have used both, works much better. The stuff is so expensive it had better work. My current 6.0('07) and my former('04) I never experienced injector "stiction". Why don't you try 10w-30 in a couple of them and an oil additive in a couple of other ones. I have been using 10w-30 for over three years, all year with great results. My lube of choice is Deere Plus 50 10w-30 II, although you can use whatever is locally available. I am curious to the results if you decide to try my proposed "test".

 

[slammds15]

The "Hot shot" product you are asking about have proven itself in my field. It does provide relief from Sticsion, but temporarily. Once the damage is done.... the damage is done. If it was a permanent fix, International would be buying it like crazy. It would have saved them tons of money in warranty claims. Alliance Injectors are good products, much better than our International brand rebuilds. $40 cheaper per injector at my coast as well. DESCRIPTION Of stiction and related issues: The Injector Performance Tester (IPT) tests the diesel injector hydraulic oil control valves (spool) while the engine is running at specific temperature and RPM conditions. After completing the test, the IPT displays the results for each injector as a PASS or FAIL . The IPT is only designed to measure Injector hydraulic spool delay (Stiction) and compared the delay against the PASS and FAIL specifications on Engines with the G2 injector - (2004 and newer engine model year) VT 365 and VT 275 . The IPT will not diagnose power cylinder contribution, compression, or Injector fuel related issues. UPDATE 10/03/2011 1.Make sure to check for and repair any fuel-related or injector open or short Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs). The IPT Tool will not allow testing if these DTCs are present. List all injector DTCs on the claim to explain why the injectors were replaced. 2.Verify that the IDM and ECM are using the latest calibration. The IPT Tool will not permit testing if the calibration is not current. 3.A complaint of excessive white smoke or engine miss/skip upon acceleration and no DTCs present, indicate use the IPT Tool before any further diagnostic tests are performed. 4.VT365 calibrations PAN2PWR1 and later calibrations were implemented to improve cooling system fault management and these calibrations also have fuel injection timing changes to improve combustion robustness and reduce visible white exhaust smoke. When DTCs 571-578 are set that means the IDM is unable to adjust fuel quantity to compensate for a rough idle. The IPT Tool should be run even with these 571-578 DTCs present. 5.If the IPT tool does not identify an injector(s) that need to be replaced, then DTC’s 571-578 could be a power cylinder, valve train, or injector concern that should be used to correct the concern. Document the injector codes (571-578) and submit them with the warranty claim. Refer to TSI-09-12-12R for more information. 6.The IPT Tool should be used for Warranty and Service Contract warranty repairs when symptoms dictate. 7.A Warranty Authorization Code (WAC) which is generated by the IPT Tool is required for all Warranty and Service Contract warranty claims where the IPT Tool is used to identify defective injectors. 8.If there are technical problems with the IPT Tool itself, contact tech support for assistance. Make sure to get the most current version of the IPT software loaded onto the dealer computer. Symptoms related to Injector Stiction •Hard Start Cold, No Start Cold •Sluggish performance cold •Multiple cylinder miss cold •Runs and starts better warm •Excessive white / black smoke on acceleration •Miss at high engine RPM •Stumbles and misses on acceleration Possible Injector Stiction Causes •Extended oil change intervals : This is the leading cause of injector stiction. Extending the oil change interval only once can cause injector spool damage. High soot (carbon) content in the engine oil will wear the spool and bore. •Long idle times cold climate: Long periods of engine idling increase the amount of soot in the engine oil and also prevents the engine from getting to the proper engine operating temperatures: •Unaided cold starting: Glow plug system not working or driver not waiting for the "Wait to Start" light to go out before starting. Not using the block heater during cold weather conditions. •Wrong oil viscosity for operating temperatures ( Cold climate ) Other poor starting and running conditions not related Injector Stiction •Slow Cranking: Low batteries, poor connections, bad starter •Low oil pressure during crank •Low ICP pressure •Other electrical issues: No power or ground to ECM or IDM, poor electrical connections to the injectors causing diagnostic codes. •Poor Fuel Condition / Quality : Cloudy fuel and /or low cetane can cause hard starting and poor performance Other Injector Failure Causes •Low Fuel Pressure: Causes plunger scoring and rapid injector failure •Poor Fuel Quality: Same as above Here is a Link to a fuel additive study. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dieselplace.com%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D177728&h=dAQGjPhXq

 

[Nickdfresh]

You're doing fine with the Chevron syth. Mine starts much easier with synthetic in the cold. Don't bother with additives, there's no magic pill...

 

[slammds15]

Agreed! My 6.0 suffered from stiction issues shortly after I got it at 212,000 kms. The person who owned it before was definitely lacking in the maintenace area. The oil was blacker than tar and the fuel filter was a scrunched up black thing. All 8 injectors were changed, IDM (or as Ford calls it FICM) was replaced. wouldn't know it was the same truck anymore. I've been running M1 TDT and stanadyn as fuel conditioner, No issues in 80,000 kms. UOA's are above average compared to others. As far as the cold starting... Ive converted some Tow truck operators to the M1 TDT and they've noticed improvement in cold starting abilities as have I. Also on another note, my oil is no longer pitch black at 15,000km when I change it. Before I get flamed I'm not saying its the best oil around, it's cheap and we stock it lol.