I'm not the best airplane passenger in the world, and every time we take off from TPA, it's a noise abatement takeoff where instead of a nice steady climb-out, we take off, then the pilots throttle back to what sounds and feels like idle, until we are away from populated neighborhoods, then we resume the climb. It freaks me out every time.
I have been reading about the procedure to takeoff from John Wayne Airport, that sounds even worse. Ugh.
Noise abatement takeoffs from Tampa
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Haw! It feels funny to "stop" in an airplane, doesn't it?
I love TIA, one of the best I've ever flown into or out of, one heck of an efficient design...
Those people chose to live near those airports they can live with the noise. That is a unsafe practice which could cause an aircraft to stall out.
I"m sure they are operating the aircraft well within safety standards as set forth by both the FAA and manufacturers specs.
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Haw! It feels funny to "stop" in an airplane, doesn't it?
I love TIA, one of the best I've ever flown into or out of, one heck of an efficient design...
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Those people chose to live near those airports they can live with the noise. That is a unsafe practice which could cause an aircraft to stall out.
I doubt if it's unsafe as no pilot would be doing it. They know the stall speed and how much flaps they need at that speed.
Be careful of what you wish for. Years ago people around Raleigh complained about 727 noise. American moved their hub out of Raleigh.
We get a ton of flights over my house on approach to CVG...I just looked at google maps and we're 12 miles almost due north of the airport as the crow flies. I hear the planes and love nothing more than watching them overhead, but there's also a big difference between arriving and departing flights as far as the noise signature. I wonder how high the average arriving flight is when it's 12 miles out...
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Also it has been there since the 40s way before probably 99% of the people here lived here.
There are ways to check the location of airports when one is looking for a home. They usually stay put in the same location for a long, long time. You can even look at Google images and figure out which way the runway(s) are pointed. Most airplanes take off from the runways and it's the same day after day. It's not quite as certain as railroad tracks but it's pretty close.
I lived in the path of Lindberg in San Diego for a while, in Pt. Loma. The only time I thought about the noise was when someone asked. It was much worse in the days of prop planes. The jets are not only quieter but the leave much quicker.
With Google Earth, there's no need to be caught off guard.
Many years ago my brother was training with a major airline, and riding the jump seat observing operations in and out of John Wayne. During pre departure brief, copilot advised the pilot (new to route) that tape on throttle quadrant was the point to pull throttle levers back to for noise abatement. After takeoff, pilot reduces throttles so front of lever is even with tape, rather than the rear of lever. The plane slowed to stick shaker speed with engines just above idle. The ensuing loss of altitude while engines were spooling up put the 737 very low over a subdivision. My brother said they were discussing whether engine thrust may have blown some tiles off the roof of one of the taller homes they over flew. The tower controller advised they were about to hit the crash button, because they actually lost sight of the airliner for 20 seconds. After he was checked out, he always cheated a bit on the departure speed reduction because of that,
There used to be a street with homes on it that ran parallell to the runway at the Reno airport. Some of the residents obviuosly enjoyed it and built observation towers in their backyards. Some government agency decided it wasn't safe to have homes so close to the runway and the houses were purchased and demolished. The empty neighborhood is now part of some sort of safety buffer zone.
I seem to recall that HUGE areas of residential homes were bought up west of Lambert Field in Bridgeton MO maybe 20 years ago as part of an expansion/noise abatement program. It was really odd driving near those "ghost subdivisions" before they were torn down.
Originally Posted By: JohnnyJohnson
Those people chose to live near those airports they can live with the noise. That is a unsafe practice which could cause an aircraft to stall out.
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..avoid high power setting at low altitude over noise sensitive areas..
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There used to be a street with homes on it that ran parallell to the runway at the Reno airport. Some of the residents obviuosly enjoyed it and built observation towers in their backyards. Some government agency decided it wasn't safe to have homes so close to the runway and the houses were purchased and demolished. The empty neighborhood is now part of some sort of safety buffer zone.
To everyone that thinks something is unsafe with this issue, I would implore you to contact the FAA with your concerns. If it isn't worth your time to do so I would think this is just internet posturing.
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