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New 2024 Toyota Tacoma
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Really, I thought it was only the base 2WD trucks staying with leafs. I sure hope the drive line engineers got these right. The driveline NVH issues on Tacoma have been a problem since my first one back in 1997. Every one I've had has had some sort of vibration or droning at various speeds. Go to the Tacoma forum and every week there is a new thread with someone complaining of a vibration, dealers pull their hair out but they can't fix them. Luckily my 2020 has very little.That’s only for the top tier model, first 3 trims get — haha — leaf springs
Working on Ram trucks through the 90's made me wonder if Chrysler could actually build a driveshaft that did not vibrate. However, when the 1500 truck went to a 4 link and coil suspension in the back the problem completely disappeared.
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Could you please expand on this or, maybe, give a link? Thanks
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I believe the long story is they changed the AC refrigerant and on the test rig didn't have the transmission cooler hooked up for some reason and while testing they realized the truck no longer needed the transmission cooler to stay in range. I call BS, the truck has had a transmission cooler since 2007. I don't tow so I really don't care but there are plenty of stories of people towing well below the max and the transmission overheating. I could've even accepted ok no cooler but it's no longer "lifetime fluid" but no cooler + lifetime fluid? I call BS.
"Toyota’s Chief Engineer Mike Sweers told us in an interview, Toyota made the change after discovering they no longer needed the part to keep the transmission within acceptable operating range.
Basically, engineering was out testing the truck, as all automakers do, and discovered they simply didn’t need the cooler to hit their operating range targets. By removing the transmission oil cooler, they could still be within an acceptable range and, according to Toyota, they would not damage the transmission."
Curious case of missing transmission oil cooler on 2019-2020 Toyota Tundra - Pickup Truck +SUV Talk
One of the hallmarks of the Toyota Tundra has been reliability, however, the removal of the transmission oil cooler is causing an uproar.
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There are some 2018 models with the new refrigerant and atf cooler (using the same old condenser with cooler at top).I believe the long story is they changed the AC refrigerant and on the test rig didn't have the transmission cooler hooked up for some reason and while testing they realized the truck no longer needed the transmission cooler to stay in range. I call BS, the truck has had a transmission cooler since 2007. I don't tow so I really don't care but there are plenty of stories of people towing well below the max and the transmission overheating. I could've even accepted ok no cooler but it's no longer "lifetime fluid" but no cooler + lifetime fluid? I call BS.
"Toyota’s Chief Engineer Mike Sweers told us in an interview, Toyota made the change after discovering they no longer needed the part to keep the transmission within acceptable operating range.
Basically, engineering was out testing the truck, as all automakers do, and discovered they simply didn’t need the cooler to hit their operating range targets. By removing the transmission oil cooler, they could still be within an acceptable range and, according to Toyota, they would not damage the transmission."
Curious case of missing transmission oil cooler on 2019-2020 Toyota Tundra - Pickup Truck +SUV Talk
One of the hallmarks of the Toyota Tundra has been reliability, however, the removal of the transmission oil cooler is causing an uproar.
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Yup…I think it was just cost cutting and a hope that most people wouldn’t be affected.
Yeah, I was dumbfounded that Toyota even considered it. The rumors were that it wasn't coming back. Now articles are saying due to Toyota's goofy allocation it's going to be a nightmare to get one.
That’s only for the top tier model, first 3 trims get — haha — leaf springs
What is wrong with leaf springs?
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Nothing per se, but multi link is better, no? Toyota say it improves ride and handling on this very same truck:
Supposedly they did the same thing to my 5S-FE, around '95 or so they dropped the oil-coolant heat exchanger. Bit them on the rear with sludge complaints. OTOH... my post '95 5S-FE is still kicking. Maybe it's just a gamble they are willing to take?
Maybe they are trying to go Euro. You know, as long as you keep to the requirements on the maintenance schedule on a near-religious basis, no problems--but stray over a bit, and game over. 'cept for the fact that everyone knows there is no such thing as a lifetime fluid and all...
Give Toyota some credit...they managed to increase payload while still going to coil springs in the rear. I'm guessing it's because they lengthened the wheelbase as well and put the rear wheels more under the center of the bed?
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Based on what I've seen so far Toyota did a good job on the Tacoma. GM did a great job on the Colorado and Toyota had to deliver and it appears they did. It will be interesting to see these two go at it. Tacoma will outsell the Colorado as it always has. I'm curious how TFL ranks them as they seem to have a bias for Toyota. However, I thought I wanted the last gen Tacoma until I drove one. So it remains to be seen.
Pricing is going to be a factor. The ZR2 comes in $10k less than the Ranger Raptor (as of now based on MSRP). The TRD Pro is likely to be ridiculously expensive. This could help the ZR2 sales a bit.
In terms of looks:
1. Colorado
2. Tacoma
3. Ranger
Pricing is going to be a factor. The ZR2 comes in $10k less than the Ranger Raptor (as of now based on MSRP). The TRD Pro is likely to be ridiculously expensive. This could help the ZR2 sales a bit.
In terms of looks:
1. Colorado
2. Tacoma
3. Ranger
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I notice several people mention TFL… I understand their content is not totally devoid of informational value, but the presentation and characters are just too low proof to stomach for me. If “village idiots” capable of productive work created an automotive review channel using 1980s B-comedy movie tricks, that would be TFL — in MY PERSONAL estimation. I just looked and their truck channel has 1.2 million subscribers 
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Gonna see how this gen plays out for a couple years. I do feel there's a little more tech going on than I like. Especially when you compare it to my '22. Every time I tell myself to keep a truck, it never happens. I don't like any of the other offerings for "midsize" trucks, so a new Tacoma would be it. Call me a fanboy I recon. I imagine trying to order a manual will be quite difficult.
Looks like the SR5 turbo 4 only has 228/243 hp/lbft. I wonder what the difference is? Smaller turbo? Less boost?
