How much more pollution is done during EV car including battery production compared to ICE car?
What about pollution during recycling?
What about pollution during recycling?
New Study / Electric Cars Make 1,850 Times MORE POLLUTION than Gas-Powered Vehicles
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It’s long been known that getting a gallon of gas to the pump makes more pollution than your car does burning it.
Most of the pollution sources apply to both gas and electric but in varying quantities.
As far as I know, there has never been a complete and legitimate cradle to grave on exploration/drilling/transportation/voc-spills/+ all the car stuff
Let alone the same for an EV.
Now there have been folks that took a modern refinery emissions model and did math, then 30 years later someone actually started taking measurements around an actual next Gen plant and found the math was at least 100x off from reality.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/near-fossil-free-rubber-tires-40848.html
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I like EVs because of the efficiency in stop and go traffic/around town and the fun of the instant torque. Oh, and lower cost per mile. Not to save the planet. If they are better overall, great, if not, well, I’m not planning for kids anyway so I won’t be around long enough for it to matter. I will do what I can to not be wasteful or excessive but if the lithium batteries go into the groundwater in 400 years so be it.
OP's position is silly. But there is quite a bit of evidence suggesting that ICE and EV are not all that far apart on their impacts to the environment when all impacts are considered.
I don't know what the OP's position is but I agree with the rest of it. This is not about climate change or saving the planet, that is the biggest load of BS, it is about and agenda, control of the working class and most of all $$$$.
Study by whom?
Shills paid by Exxon, Ford and GM?
There is no doubt that EVs are not as environmentally benign as some would like to portray, but they are nowhere close to an order of magnitude worse than ICE vehicles.
Agree with the poster who wrote that vehicle weight is a significant factor in environmental impact of any vehicle.
Shills paid by Exxon, Ford and GM?
There is no doubt that EVs are not as environmentally benign as some would like to portray, but they are nowhere close to an order of magnitude worse than ICE vehicles.
Agree with the poster who wrote that vehicle weight is a significant factor in environmental impact of any vehicle.
A guy I worked with years ago always talked about where all the worn off rubber from tires go. He theorized that there are rubber mites that ate it. He was kinda out there. Lol
Not worth watching; someone has an agenda.
Probably click bait with some truth, some good info regarding tire wear, often ignored I'd guess. IMO the electricity has to come from somewhere, and wind and solar isn't going to cut it. What's left? Nukes, not a favorite, then we have oil, coal, and natural gas, those aren't favorites either. I'll stick with ICE for as long as humanly possible.
Nuclear is what some say should be the primary source.. regardless the downside to production of ev vehicles is definitely a hot topic currently.
I'd love to see it, but the current powers that be in the US will see to it that it won't happen.
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That’s been worked on for a while
https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/ne...che-test-lower-carbon-fuel-in-race-conditions
Don't forget the original Honda Insight, where with a 5-speed stick and hypermiling techniques, was putting up 100+mpg around 20 years ago...
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You have some basis for that claim regarding these companies? Do you know the current structure of each?
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Car companies are deep in the LCE space - and XOM only has Upstream + Product Solutions + CCS as corporate divisions ...
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Indeed - and these companies sell products that burn - you can improve what you burn it with - or what you burn - or both ...
But they also provide a great deal of direct and/or indirect support for the development of wind and solar ... New fuels ...
(Offshore wind for example) ...
Most industrial sectors need each other - but it's unfortune people are taught the wrong kind of division these days ...
When you consider just transporting power from the source to the public the total efficiency is lost. The losses in power transmission is huge. Italy had a better idea years ago when they made generators that powered groups of homes in smaller clusters. They cut transmission loss and provided hot water to the clusters of homes. The hot water was circulated for heating homes also. Small scale with community involvement in safe economical power.
If a purported "study" finds a very unlikely result in the relative pollution of EVs versus hydrocarbon powered vehicles, it isn't rocket science to figure out that the hit piece was funded by entities that rely upon the production of hydrocarbon fuels and hydrocarbon powered vehicles for their daily bread. Maybe not directly by any company, but certainly indirectly by those with a vital interest in maintaining the status quo, with EVs only a small if growing fraction of the market.
Who do you think might have funded this?
Maybe Tesla and Panasonic?
Everything I can find says ~5% is lost in transmission and distribution. Which yes, ends up being a big number because we produce a lot of electricity, but that’s pretty good in my opinion given the giant vast expanse of the grid.
District heating and power generation would work on our cities, but overall we are just too far spread out for that to really be economically viable. Italy has a population density of 521/sq mi, the U.S.A. is 87.
