Yes, no need for the paddles to be that big, and I wouldn't even miss them if they're gone.
New Dodge Hornets reported as selling 33 percent below MSRP- worth consideration??
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Yes, no need for the paddles to be that big, and I wouldn't even miss them if they're gone.
30.6 mpg for a rental would be very good no? I don't expect them to be babied?
If they made a slightly more basic cheaper, more efficient, and less failure prone naturally aspirated fwd sxt I'd actually think about it. Don't care for the turbo awd. More stuff to go wrong that'll cost you more out the door and during ownership. Of course the hornet loses its hornet if they do that but its a cuv so they already disrespected the name first. Won't hurt to disrespect it more by making it slow.
Eh, do they trade in every few years? Probably then they are as good as most vehicles.
I'm trying to think how many former Grand Caravan owners I know that just gave up on it at about 120k miles... 5, and they all just couldn't justify/keep up with the important stuff breaking/wearing out, and keeping it all working was not in the cards! Only one bought a RAM, and they rest moved onto honda/toyota at pretty insane prices IMO to not deal with poor parts quality anymore.
I don't know how they think they are ever going to get repeat buyers with vehicles that become a money pit at relatively little, almost all highway miles?
Once the 25% tariffs hit they’ll be flying off the lots LOL.
Not a chance. Drop the turbo hybrid to 25k and offer a longer warranty.
At first I didn't see the paddles. LOL. So big.
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That appears to be a big issue. In the way of easy use of the turn signal--WOW and sad.
Having had/have a few vehicles with paddles, never once used the paddles.
We made it to 130k miles and I will be dumping it next year, as it just keeps on giving the nickel and dime stuff.
1. Sliding doors are now manual only (I know, cry me a river)
2. Rear hatch won't always go all the way up, even after a strut change, so the button to close it won't work until you push it up (annoys my wife, I don't really care)
3. Engine vibration that I cannot figure out.
4. Rear heater blend door is stuck and ticks all the time
5. Sway bar bushings are shot, but that is a major job to change out due to the steering rack being in the way. They are very noisy.
6. Rust in the dogleg, whereas older Toyotas and Hondas have none
7. I recently changed the leaky oil cooler.
Our 250k mile Camry has needed Spark plugs, and that's it in the 5 years I have owned it. We will be getting a Toyota or Honda for our next van. My wife wants a green one, so that limits me to Toyota.
I've had F150's and Silverados that went to 150k with much less issues.
Outside of my insane addiction to Jeeps, I am done with Chrysler. This is my 4th Chrysler minivan. The first was a 1995, and the last is going to be a 2014. It is a nice looking, riding, and driving van, but I am tired of working on it.
Even on a sporty SUV like your Porsche the paddle shifters make little sense. If there is a traditional PRDL selector, just add the manual shift option to it.
BTW, the Hornet had both
Paddle shifters really only make sense on cars that are likely to be tracked, otherwise it’s just a gimmick IMO.
Soft roading, towing, and hooning around on snowy roads, is when I use the paddle shifters in the Outback. Our old 5spd auto CRV used to be quite annoying actually in those situations with not being able to pick a gear yourself, as the programming seemed to be more a transmission shifting durability test, trying to get as many pointless shifts per mile possible....Even on a sporty SUV like your Porsche the paddle shifters make little sense. If there is a traditional PRDL selector, just add the manual shift option to it.
BTW, the Hornet had both
Paddle shifters really only make sense on cars that are likely to be tracked, otherwise it’s just a gimmick IMO.
The paddles on the Outback are thankfully unobtrusive, as you are right, its just D R and P that get used most of the time, but its nice to pick a ratio yourself when I want to.
Yes, this is why our friends spent nearly twice as much on the replacement Toyota/Honda, than they did on the Caravans... Even $1k more in parts quality into the Caravan might have had it lasting a few more years, and getting some repeat customers!
I guess the stellantis executives wanted to pump profits for a couple years, get their bonus's and leave.... Toyota, Honda, Subaru(post ~2012), Mitsubishi play less of that game IMHO... GM and Ford seem to do better with quality parts for their pickups and full size suv's, but anything fwd with them seems to be not great either, IMO and experience.
Oddly I was finding them as low as $23k new
The cheapest R/Ts are slowly getting more expensive (which is odd honestly considering they don’t sell)
Looks like no Hornet for 2026.
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/07/dodge-halts-2026-hornet-production-over-us-tariffs-sinking-sales/
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/07/dodge-halts-2026-hornet-production-over-us-tariffs-sinking-sales/
Just an opinion but Stellantis had one car line that they rode hard until discontinuing: the Challenger and Charger cars. Fun cars to look at and to drive. I wonder who the executive is that said: "Hey, lets discontinue those models and offer a Fiat based CUV. We'll put giant paddle shifter in place so the rubes think its a sports car."
one of the managers at work Traded his cherokee (?) trailhawk on a Hornet last fall... no complaints so far...
just looked at the local Dodge Dealer's website, they have exactly 1 hornet listed.
a (Former Rental) used 2024 with 32k mi. for $25k.. and the dealer changed the tires after the trade according to the Carfax.
https://www.tomahl.com/used/Dodge/2...ale-Lima-3acd932aac18065be1f6cb1b98e266b7.htm
Same Local Dealer I bought my First car from, 2000 Hyundai Sonata, in 2001 ( 1 MY old) with 16k mi for $10k ($18k in today's $$) - Find out years later it was a Former Rental that had Been in a Frontal Collision, and what looked to be a Cheap repair... ( Clear Coat all peeled off the front bumper by '07)
just looked at the local Dodge Dealer's website, they have exactly 1 hornet listed.
a (Former Rental) used 2024 with 32k mi. for $25k.. and the dealer changed the tires after the trade according to the Carfax.
https://www.tomahl.com/used/Dodge/2...ale-Lima-3acd932aac18065be1f6cb1b98e266b7.htm
Same Local Dealer I bought my First car from, 2000 Hyundai Sonata, in 2001 ( 1 MY old) with 16k mi for $10k ($18k in today's $$) - Find out years later it was a Former Rental that had Been in a Frontal Collision, and what looked to be a Cheap repair... ( Clear Coat all peeled off the front bumper by '07)
