New Amsoil OE auto tranny fluid
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Thanks for posting, hadn't seen that yet. It's nice to have options, I think I'll stick with the Signature series though.
Originally Posted By: badtlc
are the power shift fluids new too?
Just the OE ATF's are new Power shift fluids have been around for years.
Proper links:
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr...QT-EA?zo=515729
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr...LQT-EA?z=515729
It's $6.55 and $6.25 per qt PC pricing.
are the power shift fluids new too?
Just the OE ATF's are new Power shift fluids have been around for years.
Proper links:
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr...QT-EA?zo=515729
http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/tr...LQT-EA?z=515729
It's $6.55 and $6.25 per qt PC pricing.
I've already ordered a case
I for one do not get the reason for "OE" lubricants from Amsoil.
If I am going to go through the hassle and expense to buy from Amsoil I only want "best" quality. I can get "better" quality lubricants many places for less than Amsoil and easier (Walmart).
Maybe "OE" quality fits some people, not me.
This is not an Amsoil bash. I only use their "best" quality ATF and gear oils in my vehicles as I doubt I could find a better quality.
Motor oil, I can get PU and Rotella T6 easily enough. If Amsoil signature series is better than those two motor oils, its hard to tell.
If I am going to go through the hassle and expense to buy from Amsoil I only want "best" quality. I can get "better" quality lubricants many places for less than Amsoil and easier (Walmart).
Maybe "OE" quality fits some people, not me.
This is not an Amsoil bash. I only use their "best" quality ATF and gear oils in my vehicles as I doubt I could find a better quality.
Motor oil, I can get PU and Rotella T6 easily enough. If Amsoil signature series is better than those two motor oils, its hard to tell.
dnewton3
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I presume the OE products would support a lifetime warranty for a "no service - lifetime fill" application? The OTL page states it's intended for DEX VI / Mercon LV apps, and my Fusion has a lifetime fill of LV.
Originally Posted By: Donald
I for one do not get the reason for "OE" lubricants from Amsoil.
If I am going to go through the hassle and expense to buy from Amsoil I only want "best" quality. I can get "better" quality lubricants many places for less than Amsoil and easier (Walmart).
Maybe "OE" quality fits some people, not me.
This is not an Amsoil bash. I only use their "best" quality ATF and gear oils in my vehicles as I doubt I could find a better quality.
Motor oil, I can get PU and Rotella T6 easily enough. If Amsoil signature series is better than those two motor oils, its hard to tell.
My understanding is that this is the aftermarket Amsoil for the Dexron VI that GM introduced a few years ago. It is unfortunate that Amsoil named it OE but I believe I would trust the Amsoil over GM's own fluid and the price is within $0.50 per quart. Don't let the OE moniker put you off. Their other ATF is not Dexron VI spec'd and should not be used in a Dexron VI tranny.
I for one do not get the reason for "OE" lubricants from Amsoil.
If I am going to go through the hassle and expense to buy from Amsoil I only want "best" quality. I can get "better" quality lubricants many places for less than Amsoil and easier (Walmart).
Maybe "OE" quality fits some people, not me.
This is not an Amsoil bash. I only use their "best" quality ATF and gear oils in my vehicles as I doubt I could find a better quality.
Motor oil, I can get PU and Rotella T6 easily enough. If Amsoil signature series is better than those two motor oils, its hard to tell.
My understanding is that this is the aftermarket Amsoil for the Dexron VI that GM introduced a few years ago. It is unfortunate that Amsoil named it OE but I believe I would trust the Amsoil over GM's own fluid and the price is within $0.50 per quart. Don't let the OE moniker put you off. Their other ATF is not Dexron VI spec'd and should not be used in a Dexron VI tranny.
MolaKule
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I guess my question is:
Why is there a $3.00 and some change differential in price and what
drives that differential?
Different additive(s), different mix of base oils between the two, etc?
Why is there a $3.00 and some change differential in price and what
drives that differential?
Different additive(s), different mix of base oils between the two, etc?
dnewton3
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I once called and spoke directly with their tech department, and was told that the OE products were "inferior" (their word, not mine) to the other Amsoil offerings. Now - that most admittedly is a loaded statement sure to illicit much chagrin from almost any Amsoil lover. I will, however, say that I did NOT take it that Amsoil was inferior over-all; just that the OE products were not as robust as their other premium typical offerings. That conversation took place a couple years ago, not long after the OE motor oils came out. I was specifically told that the OE products were very capable and would well withstand the OEM OCIs (their target market), but that products were not warranted for more than that, and therefore not designed to go longer. I interpreted that to say the base stocks were lower and add-packs lighter. I was not told that directly, but when I asked, I was not discouraged from making that conclusion; the answer became evasive at that point.
I'm guessing here, but I would suspect the base stock is group III and not a IV/V? It's probably similar, conceptually, to their OE motor oil offerings. The add pack would also not need to be as robust; OEM OCIs really don't call for much in the way of "above and beyond" supplemental package bolstering.
It's not that the OE products are not good; they probably are every bit as capable as other typical syns. They are marketed to OEM OCIs, and therefore simply don't have a very high bar to jump over. That being the case, I suspect both the base stock and the add-pack are not as strong as their more premium fluids, and therefore holds the cost down. So, to be fair, I cannot tell you why the costs are less with OE fluids, but then I dont' have to be a genious to guess ... especially when I'm told they are "inferior" relative to the premium offerings, by the very folks that make/market them.
I always encourage folks to go right to the horse's mouth, and hear it for themselves. I always call the maker directly, if I can. But Amsoil will become somewhat tight-lipped when you try to nail them down on specifics; as would just about any other lube maker.
I'm guessing here, but I would suspect the base stock is group III and not a IV/V? It's probably similar, conceptually, to their OE motor oil offerings. The add pack would also not need to be as robust; OEM OCIs really don't call for much in the way of "above and beyond" supplemental package bolstering.
It's not that the OE products are not good; they probably are every bit as capable as other typical syns. They are marketed to OEM OCIs, and therefore simply don't have a very high bar to jump over. That being the case, I suspect both the base stock and the add-pack are not as strong as their more premium fluids, and therefore holds the cost down. So, to be fair, I cannot tell you why the costs are less with OE fluids, but then I dont' have to be a genious to guess ... especially when I'm told they are "inferior" relative to the premium offerings, by the very folks that make/market them.
I always encourage folks to go right to the horse's mouth, and hear it for themselves. I always call the maker directly, if I can. But Amsoil will become somewhat tight-lipped when you try to nail them down on specifics; as would just about any other lube maker.
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I guess my question is:
Why is there a $3.00 and some change differential in price and what
drives that differential?
Different additive(s), different mix of base oils between the two, etc?
Those are my questions also.
I guess my question is:
Why is there a $3.00 and some change differential in price and what
drives that differential?
Different additive(s), different mix of base oils between the two, etc?
Those are my questions also.
The OE ATF, like the OE engine oils, is designed primarily for use by installers--such as shops, which base much of what they sell primarily on price rather than quality.
By use of different base stocks and additives, it is very possible to make an excellent product which is not designed for extended drain intervals, but will be competitive in price for the shops.
The average driver probably doesn't even know that ATF is in the car--much less that the level should be checked (I cite my brother). Most of those who know and care will prefer the better quality product. I do not, and will not, stock the OE ATF, but will get it if necessary.
By use of different base stocks and additives, it is very possible to make an excellent product which is not designed for extended drain intervals, but will be competitive in price for the shops.
The average driver probably doesn't even know that ATF is in the car--much less that the level should be checked (I cite my brother). Most of those who know and care will prefer the better quality product. I do not, and will not, stock the OE ATF, but will get it if necessary.
MolaKule
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Thanks ****.
I for one am NOT saying the OE product is inferior and understand the price point/Marketing.
I deal with additive and base oil suppliers (including Lubrizol) every day.
I can formulate a GroupII/GroupIII UATF with a specific additive package and a GroupIII/PAO UATF with a specific additive package, but the per quart differential in price will not be $3.00, even with with a poor economy of scale.
It is none of my business how Amsoil works their pricing sheets but this just seems like a large differential.
I for one am NOT saying the OE product is inferior and understand the price point/Marketing.
I deal with additive and base oil suppliers (including Lubrizol) every day.
I can formulate a GroupII/GroupIII UATF with a specific additive package and a GroupIII/PAO UATF with a specific additive package, but the per quart differential in price will not be $3.00, even with with a poor economy of scale.
It is none of my business how Amsoil works their pricing sheets but this just seems like a large differential.
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