That’s called interception and it’s not likely from a Bravo bust. Flying through a temporary flight restriction (TFR) is more likely to trigger an intercept, particularly a presidential TFR.Hi Guys.
Was the guy in the Cessna lucky he did not find himself looking at an F-16 from his cockpit window? Flying into resticted airspace without clearence could make ATC a little twitchy. Or does this type of thing happen all the time?
Revoke pilot license and/or jail.
So, does the controller bear any responsibility for this airspace intrusion? If so, what should her penalty be? FYI, I've seen controllers do this exact thing several times over the course of my career. . . they get busy, they forget to issue the clearance to VFR traffic after initial call-up--I've reminded them with a 2nd call, and I get my Bravo clearance. To be clear, the pilot should always remain outside Class B airspace until cleared to enter, but in this case I can see how circumstances conspired to cause the incident.
I don’t believe the controller bears any responsibility.So, does the controller bear any responsibility for this airspace intrusion? If so, what should her penalty be? FYI, I've seen controllers do this exact thing several times over the course of my career. . . they get busy, they forget to issue the clearance to VFR traffic after initial call-up--I've reminded them with a 2nd call, and I get my Bravo clearance. To be clear, the pilot should always remain outside Class B airspace until cleared to enter, but in this case I can see how circumstances conspired to cause the incident.
I don’t believe the controller bears any responsibility.
Sure, they get busy and miss things, but if a pilot needs a clearance, and the controller forgets, that pilot does not have a clearance. Period.
Class B requires clearance.
If the pilot had filed IFR to or through that Class B, then, in the event of lost communications, the pilot could reasonably expect clearance and proceed into or through based on the last assigned clearance.
But this was a VFR flight with no expectation or pre-coordination. The clearance was asked for, as a courtesy from ATC, and wasn’t received.
Being a jerk on the radio doesn’t change the fact that no clearance was received, and the pilot violated Class B.
I’m no lawyer, so the “right” or “wrong” in a legal sense is a bit out of my expertise. And this guy needs a lawyer.
But the double-down “NO” was a huge mistake.
A calm, “unable, please provide assigned heading and altitude” would be the best way to handle this once he found himself in the wrong and without a clearance.
The clearance is like permission to enter private property, like entering someone’s house. You ask to enter, but get no reply.
So, you just walk in.
Then you’re asked to leave by the owner.
You say “NO”. “I asked to come in here!”
How you doin’ so far? Pretty close to arrest, I would say.
Now, if you had already received an invitation into the house (filed an IFR flight plan into the Class B) and couldn’t confirm, then your entry into the house was based on reasonable expectation.
How about this: you walked in without an invitation and the homeowner asks you to leave, and then you say, “I’m so sorry, I thought it was OK, can you accommodate me?” That’s a whole lot different approach than the confrontational “NO”. Might not get arrested, might just chalk it up to misunderstanding.
Totally different story.
If I were the FAA in this particular pilot’s case, the discussion would start with a license suspension and $10,000 fine. The negotiation proceeds from th
Just curious, let's say mistakes were made and the pilot was now within "unauthorized" airspace ... His next instruction was to leave the airspace and he should have followed up with that instruction/order but he instead doubled down and said No.
The most logical thing would have been to reset and forget about how they got there and focus on how to "safely" move forward. No?